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23-11-2015, 08:36 PM
Back to the basics
Decency and morals come from being a decent human being. All other postulates are problematic.

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23-11-2015, 08:54 PM
RE: Back to the basics
(23-11-2015 08:36 PM)rian12869 Wrote:  Decency and morals come from being a decent human being. All other postulates are problematic.

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Disagree.

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23-11-2015, 09:06 PM
RE: Back to the basics
Thanks Chas. Where do such traits come from, in your view?
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23-11-2015, 09:15 PM
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Self interest. If enough people are afraid of something, cultural evolution will cause that something to be seen as immoral. And if you have a healthy empathic response, i.e. functioning mirror neurons, then being decent in accordance with those morals will have the added benefit of making you feel good.

I think empathy is on the decline, however. It doesn't provide the survival advantage that it would have in a pre-civilization egalitarian society in which day to day survival was absolutely dependent on cooperation.

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23-11-2015, 09:20 PM
RE: Back to the basics
(23-11-2015 09:06 PM)rian12869 Wrote:  Thanks Chas. Where do such traits come from, in your view?

Evolution. Homo sapiens is a group animal as are most of our close evolutionary cousins.

Evolution consists of keeping what works and eliminating what does not.
Empathy has aided our individual survival; the closer the relation, the greater the empathy.

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23-11-2015, 09:31 PM
Back to the basics
Thanks Chas. What of miscreants? Do they work against evolution?
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23-11-2015, 09:35 PM
Back to the basics
I can certainly see it as a servival mechanism, but why do some not seem to be interested in the benefits ofbthis instinct?
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23-11-2015, 09:39 PM
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(23-11-2015 09:31 PM)rian12869 Wrote:  Thanks Chas. What of miscreants? Do they work against evolution?

Nothing works against evolution.¹ Their genes would eventually be selected out.



¹The only exception might be a concerted, conscious effort to circumvent natural selection, such as gene manipulation.
That would be artificial selection.

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23-11-2015, 09:44 PM
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Could we say that a miscreant acts in such a way as a means to survival that is yet contrary but calculated?
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23-11-2015, 09:45 PM
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(23-11-2015 09:44 PM)rian12869 Wrote:  Could we say that a miscreant acts in such a way as a means to survival that is yet contrary but calculated?

No. He is acting in his own self-interest, unconcerned with evolution.

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