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13-02-2017, 02:04 PM
RE: Bad Movie Appreciation!
(13-02-2017 01:40 PM)Grasshopper Wrote:  
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For all the corny generalizations and fantasy it is a fun flick to watch.

Walter Hill's hip, super-stylized action film unfurls in a dystopian near-future, when various gangs control New York City. Each gang sports a unique moniker ('The Warriors,' 'The Baseball Furies,' 'The Rogues'), with a costume underscoring its "theme"; each, in turn, is also responsible for one geographic area. Hill sets up the landscape as a massive, violent playground - replete with bridges, vacant subway tunnels, parks, abandoned buildings and the like, all ripe for exploration and adventure. As the tale opens, the titular Coney Island has traveled to the Bronx to attend a city-wide meeting of all gangs; at that event, however, the psychotic leader of a rival gang, The Rogues (David Patrick Kelly of Dreamscape) assassinates the head of the city's foremost gang, but The Warriors are pegged as culpable. This sends the gang fleeing through the labyrinthine city. With every thug in Manhattan in vicious, homicidal pursuit, they must also overcome all obstacles in their way. Throughout, Hill keeps the onscreen violence absurd, exaggerated and unrealistic, downplaying death to an extreme degree; despite this fact, the film sparked a massive amount of controversy and an ugly backlash for allegedly inciting violence and destruction in several theaters where it initially played.

James Remar, Michael Beck and Deborah Van Valkenburgh lead the ensemble cast. ~ Nathan Southern, Rovi

Rating: R (for violence and language)
Genre: Action & Adventure, Cult Movies, Drama
Directed By: Walter Hill
In Theaters: Feb 9, 1979 Wide
On DVD: Jan 16, 2001
Runtime: 93 minutes
Studio: Paramount Pictures

I saw this film several times when it first came out -- because I had a friend who was obsessed with it (he must have seen it a dozen times, and this was before VCRs and DVDs and internet streaming -- he went to the theater and paid to see it that many times).

It was entertaining in a campy sort of way. For history buffs, it was loosely based on Xenophon's Anabasis (a true story).

I had never heard of Anabasis, thanks for the link! Bowing

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13-02-2017, 10:06 PM
RE: Bad Movie Appreciation!
(13-02-2017 09:00 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  It mainly had to do with the fact that almost literally none of the characters in the movie share anything in common with the versions in the book except their names. Many are the exact opposite of the personality their book-version has.

The director didn't get the book, apparently, and wanted to make an anti-fascist statement, then shoehorned this story on top of that agenda. Ironically, he also apparently didn't get the part where the author carefully described the amazing technology (powered armor, laser "knife beams" that could cut down walls in an instant, and atomic warhead rockets that fired from a 'Y-rack' on the back of the armor at targets the soldier picked with a glance and a voice command) to instead go with what look like WW2-era-tech assault rifles and Bazookas. The "bugs" in the book are also technological and intelligent, using nuclear weapons, energy beam weapons, and starships just like we did. Even more important, the power-armor guys are called "Starship Troopers" because they're fired out of a tube in the bottom of a starship in space, to burn into the atmosphere and land using parachutes and jump jets in the legs and backpack. They openly mock the type of soldier who rides down in a nice comfy landing boat, as the "Troopers" in the movie do. Undecided

I still to this day can't figure out why the director chose to make this:

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Into this:

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That said, the graphics are indeed amazing. The sound/visual effects and cinematography guys deserve 100% of the credit for this film.

An observation.

Ever notice?

In Starship Troopers -- Star Wars -- and countless other movies about the future -- the troops all wear armor.......

And invariably -- the enemy produces some weapon that punches through said armor like a spike through a pinata.....

So what's the fucking point??

Ditch that shit armor -- and run faster you stupid motherfuckers.........

It's your only chance.....

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13-02-2017, 11:07 PM (This post was last modified: 14-02-2017 06:35 AM by EvolutionKills.)
RE: Bad Movie Appreciation!
The Chronicles of Riddick

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I am not shitting you, The Chronicles of Riddick is a genuinely enjoyable movie.


Why was it panned? Well, this came about as a strange series of events. This movies was released in 2004, after general movie audiences were cooled off of sci-fi after the let down that was The Matrix: Revolutions in 2003. But Riddick was green-lighted after the return of sci-fi action with The Matrix in 1999, the success of the indie horror darling Pitch Black in 2000, and Vin Diesel's rise to stardom after The Fast & The Furious in 2001. That prior success convinced Universal Pictures to hand over a 100 million budget to star/producer Vin Diesel and writer/director David Twohy; and they used that to create something special.


Now the movie is a bit scatter-shot, characters do stupid things at times, there is some hilariously bad dialog, and there is more than one example of a convenient plot contrivance. But what do you get for the price of admission? One of the most original looking and dense sci-fi settings ever brought to the big screen. While I love Star Wars and Star Trek, I love how Riddick looks nothing like either of them, and neither of them gets anywhere close to being as weird as Riddick does. It's ascetic design draws from Boris Vallejo, Warhammer 40K, and Heavy Metal (the magazine).


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^ Yes, that is Karl Urban (Judge Dredd in Dredd 3D, the assassin Kiril in The Bourne Supremacy, and Bones in the Star Trek reboots) as Lord Vakko, wielding a space-halberd. Big Grin ^


Also the story is not another sad retreading of Joseph Campbell's hero's journey, it is instead a rather pulp fiction affair. To quote, "you have a barbaric warrior forged in captivity and an outcast from proper society, a holy man, a mystic woman, a doomed love, a death cult, revenge, violence, and a running theme of upsetting the status quo." It is, for all intents and purposes, Conan The Destroyer in space! Add to that the world itself, a dense and lived in thing that is just thrown at you. There is no audience-insert character, no first-day-on-the-job trainee that gets the world explained to them for the benefit of the audience. Jargon and slang is thrown around and the movies gets about it's story at a brisk pace, and while this can make it harder to keep up with at times, it makes the film all that more rewarding when you do. It's refreshing to see characters in the film treat the strangeness of the mythos as ordinary, lived in; it really helps to sell the setting when nobody bats their eyelashes at it.


So if you can, make sure to grab the Director's Cut, and sit yourself down for one of the most strangely entertaining pulp-fiction movies since 1984's Conan the Destroyer. The movie is great trash. Thumbsup





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14-02-2017, 04:24 AM
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14-02-2017, 04:51 AM
RE: Bad Movie Appreciation!
(13-02-2017 10:06 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  An observation.

Ever notice?

In Starship Troopers -- Star Wars -- and countless other movies about the future -- the troops all wear armor.......

And invariably -- the enemy produces some weapon that punches through said armor like a spike through a pinata.....

So what's the fucking point??

Ditch that shit armor -- and run faster you stupid motherfuckers.........

It's your only chance.....

As an aside, so far as the Stormtroopers of the Galactic Empire and the First Order are concerned, the all encompassing white armor is more so a means of stripping individuality away from the soldiers. This is highlighted in Episode VII: The Force Awakens whenever FN-2187 (Finn) removes his helmet after the village massacre, as he's clearly suffering from a panic attack. His commanding officer (Captain Phasma, the silver armored trooper) confronts him, finds him helmet-less, and questions why it was removed; before ordering Finn to relinquish his blaster for inspection and report in to her division at once. It's also later implied, then rather explicitly stated, that the First Order Stormtroopers are indoctrinated from childhood (if not birth) to be the unquestioning shock troopers that they are.

So yeah, less so protection for the individual solider, as it is a tool to strip them of their individuality. Plus there is always something to be said for the intimidation factor of not just a uniform, but the interchangeability of the soldiers themselves; how frightening and demoralizing it can be to take out a Stormtrooper, only to see that white silhouette replaced by another identical one as soon as it falls, for as long as the Empire/First Order has men to throw at the problem. They also present the picture of a united front, an almost monolithic force to be reckoned with.

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14-02-2017, 05:54 AM
RE: Bad Movie Appreciation!
(14-02-2017 04:51 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  how frightening and demoralizing it can be to take out a Stormtrooper, only to see that white silhouette replaced by another identical one as soon as it falls, for as long as the Empire/First Order has men to throw at the problem. They also present the picture of a united front, an almost monolithic force to be reckoned with.

That was the idea behind the persian Immortals, one of the first elite/guard units in recorded history! Big Grin

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14-02-2017, 06:01 AM
RE: Bad Movie Appreciation!
(14-02-2017 04:51 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(13-02-2017 10:06 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  An observation.

Ever notice?

In Starship Troopers -- Star Wars -- and countless other movies about the future -- the troops all wear armor.......

And invariably -- the enemy produces some weapon that punches through said armor like a spike through a pinata.....

So what's the fucking point??

Ditch that shit armor -- and run faster you stupid motherfuckers.........

It's your only chance.....

As an aside, so far as the Stormtroopers of the Galactic Empire and the First Order are concerned, the all encompassing white armor is more so a means of stripping individuality away from the soldiers. This is highlighted in Episode VII: The Force Awakens whenever FN-2187 (Finn) removes his helmet after the village massacre, as he's clearly suffering from a panic attack. His commanding officer (Captain Phasma, the silver armored trooper) confronts him, finds him helmet-less, and questions why it was removed; before ordering Finn to relinquish his blaster for inspection and report in to her division at once. It's also later implied, then rather explicitly stated, that the First Order Stormtroopers are indoctrinated from childhood (if not birth) to be the unquestioning shock troopers that they are.

So yeah, less so protection for the individual solider, as it is a tool to strip them of their individuality. Plus there is always something to be said for the intimidation factor of not just a uniform, but the interchangeability of the soldiers themselves; how frightening and demoralizing it can be to take out a Stormtrooper, only to see that white silhouette replaced by another identical one as soon as it falls, for as long as the Empire/First Order has men to throw at the problem. They also present the picture of a united front, an almost monolithic force to be reckoned with.

OK Spock....

Or is it Sheldon???


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14-02-2017, 06:27 AM
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(13-02-2017 09:00 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  It mainly had to do with the fact that almost literally none of the characters in the movie share anything in common with the versions in the book except their names. Many are the exact opposite of the personality their book-version has.

The director didn't get the book, apparently, and wanted to make an anti-fascist statement, then shoehorned this story on top of that agenda. Ironically, he also apparently didn't get the part where the author carefully described the amazing technology (powered armor, laser "knife beams" that could cut down walls in an instant, and atomic warhead rockets that fired from a 'Y-rack' on the back of the armor at targets the soldier picked with a glance and a voice command) to instead go with what look like WW2-era-tech assault rifles and Bazookas. The "bugs" in the book are also technological and intelligent, using nuclear weapons, energy beam weapons, and starships just like we did. Even more important, the power-armor guys are called "Starship Troopers" because they're fired out of a tube in the bottom of a starship in space, to burn into the atmosphere and land using parachutes and jump jets in the legs and backpack. They openly mock the type of soldier who rides down in a nice comfy landing boat, as the "Troopers" in the movie do. Undecided

I still to this day can't figure out why the director chose to make this:

[Image: 099c0bf18489ff7ffb9bff5ea26be310.jpg]

Into this:

[Image: 1E988790FCD79D5D4ADF5C9EEF23E52161252AAB]

That said, the graphics are indeed amazing. The sound/visual effects and cinematography guys deserve 100% of the credit for this film.

Oh man, I think they ran out of money for special effects. In the book, humans are in a fight with the "skinnies" another humanoid race that they eventually ally with against the bugs. The opening scene in the book has them raiding and leveling a city with them in it, while they mow the skinnies down in their Iron Man armor.

Yeah, the movie is enjoyable just for the battles and action. Though I love the little WW2 propaganda sequences, the maniacal look the characters have in that one sequence when they're stomping on bugs is hilarious.

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14-02-2017, 06:29 AM (This post was last modified: 14-02-2017 06:33 AM by EvolutionKills.)
RE: Bad Movie Appreciation!
(14-02-2017 06:01 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  OK Spock....

Or is it Sheldon???


Tongue

Spock is okay, Sheldon can go die in a fire... Dodgy

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That show is like Geek/Nerd Blackface.

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14-02-2017, 06:36 AM
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We can't ignore the God of Schlock, that would be Godzilla, I absolutely loved these movies as a kid, I still get a laugh when I see them again from time to time.

The epitome of schlock, King Kong vs. Godzilla:




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