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12-09-2017, 06:55 AM
RE: Bannon's interview
(12-09-2017 05:37 AM)BikerDude Wrote:  One thing I've become convinced of is that as dim as Trump is in a lot of conventional ways he is brilliant in certain other ways.
Make no mistake about that.

Not brilliant - sly. He thinks exclusively outside the box. He lives outside the box. There are lots of good morsels to be found outside the box. There is also a lot of crap there.

Also make no mistake - he is delusional. Pretty much completely delusional. It is that very detachment from reality that allows alternative thoughts and methods to enter. And, at times, these thoughts and methods can have spectacular results. Both good and bad.

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12-09-2017, 07:03 AM
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(11-09-2017 07:21 PM)Dom Wrote:  How does he plan to hold them accountable? What's the game plan he hatched with/for trump?

Congress has no obligation to support the president. They are supposed to support their voters.

It's like he's under the impression that since the GOP picked Trump in their primary (after a bunch of individual wins with a plurality of the votes, not a majority), that the entire party now has to march in lockstep with him.

I certainly wouldn't call Trump a fluke. He's got a pretty big movement behind him, but it's not more than 50% of the party. The majority of people who voted for him did so because he was the Republican candidate. Die hard Trump fans are a minority of the party. Bannon is trying to turn this win into something bigger than it ever was.
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12-09-2017, 07:29 AM (This post was last modified: 12-09-2017 08:10 AM by BikerDude.)
RE: Bannon's interview
(12-09-2017 06:55 AM)Dom Wrote:  Not brilliant - sly. He thinks exclusively outside the box. He lives outside the box. There are lots of good morsels to be found outside the box. There is also a lot of crap there.

Also make no mistake - he is delusional. Pretty much completely delusional. It is that very detachment from reality that allows alternative thoughts and methods to enter. And, at times, these thoughts and methods can have spectacular results. Both good and bad.

Well whatever he is I've grown convinced that he is perfectly suited to his environment. Certainly he is the horror that crawls out of the swamp of social media and post 9/11 conspiracy theory and conservative talk radio but he was a master at uniting all of that under one tent. The right created the opportunity and he stepped right in there. Because he understands these creatures a lot better than politicians. Is he delusional? The question is is a significant portion of the electorate delusional?
I do think so. And I'm fairly convinced that a large portion of what he says and does is purely a cynical pandering to this growing demographic. He is the beast that staggers toward Bethlehem to be born. It's not just Trump. It's a coordinated effort and it is purely cynical. Not belief, just strategy. It's all meant to destroy representative democracy and to use the electorate to accomplish it. The wealthy and corporations convincing a disenfranchised middle and lower class to blame Government and media and all of the normal controls that the electorate have over the powerful for the economic hardships that these same powerful forces have systematically imposed. There will always be a market for hate while people suffer. People are anxious to place the blame. The one with the loudest voice gets to pick who get's blamed. It's taken years but the "crusade" is real. They use fear and they paint any form of protest as the enemy. It has happened before. It all sets up support for a police state and it robs the voices of protest of any credibility. And now we see the growth of militarized police forces.
No Trump is not delusional. It's just that the reality that he is aware of is a nightmare beyond most people's imagining. Many of the mainstream republicans have been happy to benefit from all of this drum beating but it took a Trump to have a taste for the real blood. He is right inside the box. But it's a box that most people (at least people on the left and center) don't know exists.







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12-09-2017, 08:10 AM (This post was last modified: 12-09-2017 08:18 AM by Rockblossom.)
RE: Bannon's interview
The crazy thing is that Bannon isn't stupid or uneducated. He has his own view of "how things should be" that horrifies a lot of us, but he does have some grasp of reality.

Quote:At one point in the interview, Bannon shows a flash of what looks like respect for checks and balances. He confirms that while he was in the White House, he opposed the firing of then–FBI Director James Comey. At first glance, Bannon seems to be acknowledging that the president should respect the independence of law enforcement. But he goes on to explain that he counseled against the firing only because it wouldn’t stop the FBI’s Russia investigation. Other institutions, such as the House and Senate, “can be changed if the leadership is changed,” Bannon argues. “I don’t believe that the institutional logic of the FBI, and particularly in regards to an investigation, could possibly be changed by changing out the head of it.”
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_p...annon.html

Which is correct. There is a culture in Washington - and whether it is culture in the sense of the Smithsonian and the Washington Opera or the kind you find in a petri dish - can be viewed as either a bulwark against a takeover or a swamp that needs draining. Whichever, it runs very deep, with Congress and the White House just ripples on the surface. The Washington Bureaucracy is mostly civil servants who spend their whole career in government, an unbelievably huge cadre of contractors, and all of the support staff that keeps them running. And they stay around from one administration to the next. Career civil servants will tell you that if Washington is a swamp, then the politicians are just the pond scum that floats on the top. A good storm or an election sweeps them away, giving a bit of air and light to the pond before another set comes in, but doesn't essentially change anything down in the depths.

And institutions like the FBI or the Intelligence Community are not going to be drastically changed in how they operate by one nutcase in the White House. They could be changed by deliberate action in Congress, if Congress could ever agree on what to do. That's one reason that people like Steve Bannon are livid that Congress doesn't seem inclined to "support" President Trump. But Congress doesn't work for the President, and the House and Senate have their own agendas that they think will outlive the Trump Administration, if they just wait him out.
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12-09-2017, 09:23 AM
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The effort doesn't seem to be to change the FBI and Intelligence Community. It seems to be to neuter them.
Whatever the FBI or Special Council finds counts for nothing unless congress does something about it.
If nothing happens before the next election cycle and the republicans do well I predict the sound of crickets no matter what Mueller finds.
There just are too many of these reps that would lose their seat by voting for impeachment.
No matter what they find on Trump.

Bannon has been cast out and a lot of what he says is sour grapes.

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12-09-2017, 12:46 PM
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It was the first time i saw Bannon life, and not some media report about him. That guy is scary Gasp and what he has to say is even more scary Shocking He is Josef-Göbbels-scary.

This is a very dangerous person, and in hindsight i am glad he got removed from the white house.

Seriously!

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12-09-2017, 02:01 PM
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(12-09-2017 12:46 PM)Deesse23 Wrote:  It was the first time i saw Bannon life, and not some media report about him. That guy is scary Gasp and what he has to say is even more scary Shocking He is Josef-Göbbels-scary.

This is a very dangerous person, and in hindsight i am glad he got removed from the white house.

Seriously!

Yes he is pure evil.
We now have looked into his eyes.
Like Newman.
But worse.

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