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Belief vs Facts in the programed religious mind.
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16-06-2016, 10:15 PM
RE: Belief vs Facts in the programed religious mind.
(16-06-2016 10:08 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(16-06-2016 10:06 PM)CDF47 Wrote:  No they haven't and they never will.

Read a science book, you willfully ignorant moron.

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16-06-2016, 10:18 PM
RE: Belief vs Facts in the programed religious mind.
(16-06-2016 10:15 PM)CDF47 Wrote:  
(16-06-2016 10:08 PM)Chas Wrote:  Read a science book, you willfully ignorant moron.

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16-06-2016, 10:21 PM
RE: Belief vs Facts in the programed religious mind.
(16-06-2016 10:18 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(16-06-2016 10:15 PM)CDF47 Wrote:  “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”


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Give it up. You may fool some but many people can see through the nonsense. Your debate skills and tactics boil down to "read a book moron." Might want to work on that. At least Dawkins and some of the other liars try a bit more convincing strategies.
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16-06-2016, 10:23 PM
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(16-06-2016 10:12 PM)CDF47 Wrote:  Natural selection acting on random variations among chemicals can not produce the first life.

It doesn't. It acts on organisms.

Quote:Natural selection could not have existed before the creation of the first living cell.

It can only act upon organisms capable of replicating themselves. Cells equipped with DNA that pass on their genetic changes to future generations. Without DNA there is no self-replication. Without self-replication there is no natural selection. So you cannot use natural selection to explain the origin of DNA without assuming the existence of the thing you are trying to explain.

Yes, it could. It is an algorithm; all that is required is imperfect replication and differential survival.
The first replicators were molecules; the ones that replicated more successfully out-competed the ones that didn't and became more numerous.
Improvements in replication are cumulative - that is evolution.

Natural selection does not require life, just replicators.

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16-06-2016, 10:24 PM
RE: Belief vs Facts in the programed religious mind.
(16-06-2016 10:23 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(16-06-2016 10:12 PM)CDF47 Wrote:  Natural selection acting on random variations among chemicals can not produce the first life.

It doesn't. It acts on organisms.

Quote:Natural selection could not have existed before the creation of the first living cell.

It can only act upon organisms capable of replicating themselves. Cells equipped with DNA that pass on their genetic changes to future generations. Without DNA there is no self-replication. Without self-replication there is no natural selection. So you cannot use natural selection to explain the origin of DNA without assuming the existence of the thing you are trying to explain.

Yes, it could. It is an algorithm; all that is required is imperfect replication and differential survival.
The first replicators were molecules; the ones that replicated more successfully out-competed the ones that didn't and became more numerous.

Natural selection does not require life, just replicators.

Huh?
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16-06-2016, 10:25 PM
RE: Belief vs Facts in the programed religious mind.
(16-06-2016 10:24 PM)CDF47 Wrote:  
(16-06-2016 10:23 PM)Chas Wrote:  It doesn't. It acts on organisms.


Yes, it could. It is an algorithm; all that is required is imperfect replication and differential survival.
The first replicators were molecules; the ones that replicated more successfully out-competed the ones that didn't and became more numerous.

Natural selection does not require life, just replicators.

Huh?

My point exactly. You don't understand natural selection or evolution. Really, you need to read a real science book.

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16-06-2016, 10:29 PM
RE: Belief vs Facts in the programed religious mind.
(16-06-2016 10:25 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(16-06-2016 10:24 PM)CDF47 Wrote:  Huh?

My point exactly. You don't understand natural selection or evolution. Really, you need to read a real science book.

I've read more science books than you care to imagine. Provide references for your replicating molecules.
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16-06-2016, 11:18 PM
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CDF - You're describing two different things, as if they are the same thing, is his point. Evolution is a process that only works on replicating things, including DNA and its predecessors. The formation of replicating molecules is a separate question that has nothing to do with evolution. They are connected in the same way that the mechanics of stellar accretion/formation and the process of nuclear fusion are connected, but they are different fields.

In expressing evolution the way you do, you are making it very clear to us that you do not even understand some of the most basic principles about what evolution actually is. It is why he keeps asking you to read a book.

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17-06-2016, 05:08 AM
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(16-06-2016 09:48 PM)CDF47 Wrote:  
(16-06-2016 09:45 PM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  I don't think you have any idea of what those words mean, especially in context with what she said.

Blind Dumb Luck Random Chance Definition:

Made, done, happening, or chosen without method or conscious decision.

As far as Neanderthals, I think they belonged to the animal kingdom.

First:
Humans belong in the animal kingdom. This has been acknowledged since the 1700's. Greater minds than yours spent their entire careers trying to prove this wrong. Greater christian minds, I might add.

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Your definition does not fit evolution. There is an element of chance, but the vast majority of the process is predictable according the known laws of genetics and chemistry.

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17-06-2016, 05:14 AM
RE: Belief vs Facts in the programed religious mind.
(16-06-2016 10:06 PM)CDF47 Wrote:  
(16-06-2016 10:03 PM)Chas Wrote:  Except they already have. Read a book.

No they haven't and they never will.

Saying "they never will" indicates your presupposition.

You clearly have no understanding about evolution in particular and science in general.

Considering all of the things that theists have sworn "would never happen", you also have a poor grasp on history.

At this point you are doing nothing more than showcasing your own ignorance.

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