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22-08-2017, 02:36 PM
RE: Belief vs Facts in the programed religious mind.
(22-08-2017 02:30 PM)CDF47 Wrote:  Where do the information bearing properties of DNA come from? No honest atheist or skeptic can answer this question. DNA is a code. Where do these complex molecular machines come from? With a basic level of understanding this incredible code is proof of design and creation.

Creation is too obvious so I do not understand how there can still be atheists. I am not saying this to anger anyone. Based on the facts it is simply how I feel.
From rna, which build off amino acids, which come out of basic compounds.

None the less. Any notion of unsolved notions is a poor reasoning to substitute something. That's the glaring problem of assumed design.

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22-08-2017, 02:37 PM
RE: Belief vs Facts in the programed religious mind.
(22-08-2017 02:30 PM)CDF47 Wrote:  so I do not understand

That much is patently, painfully clear. Drinking Beverage

Quote:I am not saying this to anger anyone.

What makes you think someone like you could even irritate, much less anger, us?

Quote:Based on the facts it is simply how I feel.

Yeah, facts and feels don't really go well together. This is *not* how it works.

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22-08-2017, 02:40 PM
RE: Belief vs Facts in the programed religious mind.
(02-08-2017 01:51 PM)unfogged Wrote:  
(02-08-2017 12:33 PM)CDF47 Wrote:  He allows evil due to the disobedience and fall of mankind starting with Adam and Eve.

You are an OEC and yet you believe in Adam and Eve? There were no such people.

Quote:He had the knowledge of good and evil and man desired that knowledge so He allowed it.

but punished them, and all their descendants for an action that they could not possibly have understood was wrong.... it's a good thing your god doesn't exist because he's an incompetent monster

Quote:Surely, we will die, as He said.

he said they die the day they ate the fruit. He lied.

Quote: The LORD has a wrath as described in the Bible.

Some perfect being... gets mad at his own creation for not doing what he wanted it to do. How fucking immature and incompetent is that?

Quote:We also have His mercy and grace. He wants us to love Him and each other and He created the Ten Commandments to show us how.

The 10 commandments (no matter which of the versions you pick) are not a good guide. Most of them are not concerned with morals or ethics and the ones that do relate are too generalized to be of any practical use. Many of the rest of the 613 commandments are downright barbaric.

Quote: He knows we are imperfect and He does not expect perfection. His only Son was sent here to atone for our sins.

Which, as I've said, I consider to be an immoral concept.

Quote:Regarding Day-Age interpretation, download the chart from the site in my signature. It follows science.

No, it doesn't. The order of events in genesis are simply wrong. All the hand-waving and "interpretation" can't change that. It's an attempt by primitive people to explain the world and has no bearing on science.

Quote: Plus, nearly all the important kingdoms on the earth were prophesied hundreds and sometimes thousands of years in advance. Alexander the great, Cleopatra and Caesar,..., are also prophesied in the Bible.

Citations required. Cherry picking verses and saying that because they bear a value resemblance to later events only illustrates how gullible you are.

Quote:It is all fact, although some are parables and clearly intended to be.

I love it how things are literal when convenient and parables when inconvenient.

Quote: DNA is showing all men and women date back to one man and one women.

No, it doesn't. If you are referring to Y-chromosome Eve and X-chromosome Adam then you are seriously misunderstanding the science.

Quote: Einstein showed time is relative. That is because God exists outside this universe and He transcends time,...

"outside the universe" and "transcends time" are meaningless phrases and neither has anything to do with relativity within the universe

Quote:Science through DNA, universe fine-tuning,... proves creation. The Biblical God is the correct source of that creation.

Try listening to an actual scientist instead of an apologist in a lab coat for a change




(02-08-2017 12:47 PM)CDF47 Wrote:  I was a skeptic once myself. Never an atheist though really. As an engineer, I saw too much complexity in the world for nothing to have created everything.

Your personal incredulity and ignorance are not evidence for anything

Quote: It is specified complexity as well.

Another absolutely meaningless phrase

Quote: Intelligent Design and Dr. Stephen Meyer really helped with showing how DNA works and the fine-tuning of the universe. It is now crystal clear that the universe and everything in it is designed and created. I dipped deep into theology and studying different religions. The Bible is truth based on my research. Everything else is just Mystery Babylon as described in the Bible.

Try studying science instead of theology. Theology has no process for distinguishing reality from fantasy and is unable to arrive at any useful conclusions about anything.

(22-08-2017 02:36 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  
(22-08-2017 02:30 PM)CDF47 Wrote:  Where do the information bearing properties of DNA come from? No honest atheist or skeptic can answer this question. DNA is a code. Where do these complex molecular machines come from? With a basic level of understanding this incredible code is proof of design and creation.

Creation is too obvious so I do not understand how there can still be atheists. I am not saying this to anger anyone. Based on the facts it is simply how I feel.
From rna, which build off amino acids, which come out of basic compounds.

None the less. Any notion of unsolved notions is a poor reasoning to substitute something. That's the glaring problem of assumed design.

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I understand the process but my point was it is clear there is design behind this very specific and complex system at works in the cell. It is undeniable. That is why I don't understand atheism.

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22-08-2017, 02:42 PM
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(22-08-2017 02:37 PM)Vera Wrote:  
(22-08-2017 02:30 PM)CDF47 Wrote:  so I do not understand

That much is patently, painfully clear. Drinking Beverage

Quote:I am not saying this to anger anyone.

What makes you think someone like you could even irritate, much less anger, us?

Quote:Based on the facts it is simply how I feel.

Yeah, facts and feels don't really go well together. This is *not* how it works.

So your response is just to smear me. Very intellectual and mature conversation and discussion on this argument. You have no response.

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22-08-2017, 02:43 PM
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(22-08-2017 02:42 PM)CDF47 Wrote:  You have no response.

And you have no argument.


The one from incredulity and ignorance doesn't count. Not that I'd expect you to grasp that.

Also - smear? Get over yourself, cupcake.

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22-08-2017, 02:44 PM
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(22-08-2017 02:43 PM)Vera Wrote:  
(22-08-2017 02:42 PM)CDF47 Wrote:  You have no response.

And you have no argument.


The one from incredulity and ignorance doesn't count. Not that I'd expect you to grasp that.

Also - smear? Get over yourself, cupcake.

Name calling, insults,..., child's play...LOL. You have no response.

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22-08-2017, 02:48 PM
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22-08-2017, 02:48 PM
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(22-08-2017 02:30 PM)CDF47 Wrote:  Where do the information bearing properties of DNA come from? No honest atheist or skeptic can answer this question.
How do you know this? Please state your reasoning. Have you asked us?

Quote:DNA is a code. Where do these complex molecular machines come from? With a basic level of understanding this incredible code is proof of design and creation.
Tell me, have you studied DNA in any great depth - greater than say, a wikipedia article?

Quote:Creation is too obvious so I do not understand how there can still be atheists. I am not saying this to anger anyone. Based on the facts it is simply how I feel.
It may be obvious to you but it is far from obvious to me. What's obvious to me is that religion is a scam. Based on the facts. Ya know.

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22-08-2017, 02:50 PM
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(22-08-2017 02:44 PM)CDF47 Wrote:  Name calling, insults,..., child's play...LOL. You have no response.

You even *know* what name calling is? The only childish thing here is your understanding of the world and how it works, as well as the need for a cosmic father figure to take care of all the hard parts of life as an adult. So, hush-a-bye, don't you cry, go to sleep, my little baby, when you wake, you shall have all the pretty little angels. And eternal life. Drinking Beverage

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22-08-2017, 02:50 PM
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(22-08-2017 02:42 PM)CDF47 Wrote:  
(22-08-2017 02:37 PM)Vera Wrote:  That much is patently, painfully clear. Drinking Beverage


What makes you think someone like you could even irritate, much less anger, us?


Yeah, facts and feels don't really go well together. This is *not* how it works.

So your response is just to smear me. Very intellectual and mature conversation and discussion on this argument. You have no response.
Stating simple facts is not "smearing". You either do or don't understand, are or are not irritating, and it is either true that facts and feelings inform each other reliably or not.

Quit taking simple disagreement or failure to be impressed with your ideas as an existential threat.
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