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23-08-2017, 06:57 AM
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(22-08-2017 04:40 PM)Vera Wrote:  
(22-08-2017 04:33 PM)CDF47 Wrote:  Fair enough. Peace to you. Thanks for thinking of me.


FOR you. As in - instead of you. Cause we can all see you're struggling. Drinking Beverage

Life can be a struggle for everyone.

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23-08-2017, 07:00 AM
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(22-08-2017 05:15 PM)Paleophyte Wrote:  
(22-08-2017 04:35 PM)CDF47 Wrote:  I've met numerous engineers and scientists and only a couple were agnostic or atheist. Nearly all of them believe there is a Creator.

You must hang with a very odd crowd. In my experience scientists are <50% believers and the theists are quicker to shoot down creationists than us atheists.

I'm a geologist specializing in geochemistry and geochronology. I'm spending next week studying 2.9 billion year old stromatolites in an attempt to improve our understanding of the Earth's early oceans and atmosphere.

No way less than 50 percent. Not based on my experience as an engineer.

Outside the point, geology is a cool subject. I studied it one semester in college and it was pretty interesting to me.

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23-08-2017, 07:04 AM
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Sometimes this feels like a lost cause but hopefully some on here come to realize everything is designed with a purpose. Even if it is just lurkers on here that come to this realization.

Why do you all get so angry and insulting regarding this subject? If you can't argue facts you throw sand in the eyes. It's the final straw of lost debate. Having said that, I still hold nothing personally against you all, I just pray you see the truth.

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23-08-2017, 07:14 AM
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(23-08-2017 07:04 AM)CDF47 Wrote:  Sometimes this feels like a lost cause but hopefully some on here come to realize everything is designed with a purpose. Even if it is just lurkers on here that come to this realization.

Why do you all get so angry and insulting regarding this subject? If you can't argue facts you throw sand in the eyes. It's the final straw of lost debate. Having said that, I still hold nothing personally against you all, I just pray you see the truth.

Nothing is designed, only that of what has evolved for purpose, in which it's purpose is normally highly influenced by a social/environmental factor.

Not sure on others, but I only become angry when we say "proove it, with proven facts" and you can't. It enrages me a bit, because your "debates" are essentially, "this is what I believe, and you are wrong", despite you have no evidence on the matter and talking absolute nonsense to boot.

And pray all you like, it doesnt do anything and is a waste of your time/energy to do this. Instead, why not read up on the process of evolution and learn something before coming back in here wondering why, on an atheist forum, atheists are getting angry at a troll and a theist with nothing except "GOD DID IT LOLZ".

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23-08-2017, 07:25 AM
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(23-08-2017 07:04 AM)CDF47 Wrote:  Sometimes this feels like a lost cause but hopefully some on here come to realize everything is designed with a purpose. Even if it is just lurkers on here that come to this realization.

Why do you all get so angry and insulting regarding this subject? If you can't argue facts you throw sand in the eyes. It's the final straw of lost debate. Having said that, I still hold nothing personally against you all, I just pray you see the truth.

I loathe charlatans, which is what you are. You have nothing, all you say is assertion and you offer no evidence or reasoning, merely claiming "it's obvious" or "people agree with me". Fuck off with that bullshit, it doesn't fly. And fuck off with your prissiness too. Your shit smells just the same as anyone else's.

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23-08-2017, 10:24 AM
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(23-08-2017 07:04 AM)CDF47 Wrote:  Sometimes this feels like a lost cause but hopefully some on here come to realize everything is designed with a purpose. Even if it is just lurkers on here that come to this realization.

Why do you all get so angry and insulting regarding this subject? If you can't argue facts you throw sand in the eyes. It's the final straw of lost debate. Having said that, I still hold nothing personally against you all, I just pray you see the truth.

People get angry when people like you keep repeating assertions over and over with zero evidence, and then project your own arguments shortcomings onto those you disagree with. "If you can't argue facts you throw sand in the eyes"....are you fucking serious? That describes every creationist on the internet right now.

And yes it is a lost cause....YOUR side lost this debate at least 40-50 years ago (if not longer) and yet you and your kind are still repeating the same bullshit you did back then. The only people it works on are gullible people like you who already believed it was true and just warp the evidence to fit your narrative.

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23-08-2017, 12:06 PM
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(23-08-2017 07:14 AM)OakTree500 Wrote:  
(23-08-2017 07:04 AM)CDF47 Wrote:  Sometimes this feels like a lost cause but hopefully some on here come to realize everything is designed with a purpose. Even if it is just lurkers on here that come to this realization.

Why do you all get so angry and insulting regarding this subject? If you can't argue facts you throw sand in the eyes. It's the final straw of lost debate. Having said that, I still hold nothing personally against you all, I just pray you see the truth.

Nothing is designed, only that of what has evolved for purpose, in which it's purpose is normally highly influenced by a social/environmental factor.

Not sure on others, but I only become angry when we say "proove it, with proven facts" and you can't. It enrages me a bit, because your "debates" are essentially, "this is what I believe, and you are wrong", despite you have no evidence on the matter and talking absolute nonsense to boot.

And pray all you like, it doesnt do anything and is a waste of your time/energy to do this. Instead, why not read up on the process of evolution and learn something before coming back in here wondering why, on an atheist forum, atheists are getting angry at a troll and a theist with nothing except "GOD DID IT LOLZ".

I am not trolling this site at all. I just seriously do not understand atheism which is a belief that somehow nothing created everything. It makes no sense, especially with the extreme specified complexity we are dealing with in the cell and the universe.

I try to relate to you because there was a short time I was a skeptic but then I realized how obvious design and creation was.

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23-08-2017, 12:08 PM
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(23-08-2017 10:24 AM)ResidentEvilFan Wrote:  
(23-08-2017 07:04 AM)CDF47 Wrote:  Sometimes this feels like a lost cause but hopefully some on here come to realize everything is designed with a purpose. Even if it is just lurkers on here that come to this realization.

Why do you all get so angry and insulting regarding this subject? If you can't argue facts you throw sand in the eyes. It's the final straw of lost debate. Having said that, I still hold nothing personally against you all, I just pray you see the truth.

People get angry when people like you keep repeating assertions over and over with zero evidence, and then project your own arguments shortcomings onto those you disagree with. "If you can't argue facts you throw sand in the eyes"....are you fucking serious? That describes every creationist on the internet right now.

And yes it is a lost cause....YOUR side lost this debate at least 40-50 years ago (if not longer) and yet you and your kind are still repeating the same bullshit you did back then. The only people it works on are gullible people like you who already believed it was true and just warp the evidence to fit your narrative.

Shove your prayer up your ass Eric Hovind.

The debate ended in 1957 when Francis Crick realized the DNA that was discovered in 1953 operates like a machine code.

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23-08-2017, 12:09 PM
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(23-08-2017 12:06 PM)CDF47 Wrote:  I am not trolling this site at all. I just seriously do not understand atheism which is a belief that somehow nothing created everything. It makes no sense, especially with the extreme specified complexity we are dealing with in the cell and the universe.
Consider the hypothesis that you don't understand it because you are dumb. Can you seriously reject this hypothesis? On what grounds?

Quote:I try to relate to you because there was a short time I was a skeptic but then I realized how obvious design and creation was.
See above.

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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23-08-2017, 12:21 PM
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(23-08-2017 12:06 PM)CDF47 Wrote:  I am not trolling this site at all. I just seriously do not understand atheism which is a belief that somehow nothing created everything. It makes no sense, especially with the extreme specified complexity we are dealing with in the cell and the universe.

"specified complexity" is a meaningless term. What exactly is being specified? How are you measuring the degree of complexity? It's just a buzzword that makes theistic claims sound all sciency.

Atheism is the rejection of the claim that the existence of god has sufficient evidence behind it. I do not know if the universe always existed or was created by some process. My inability to imagine "nothing" or something coming from nothing is my limitation, not reality's.

When I look at the claims for evolution of the cell and the evidence available for that I am satisfied that it does not require intelligent guidance. Natural processes suffice.

The reason you look like a troll is that you've been told this many times but you just keep coming back with the same tired strawman arguments.

Quote:I try to relate to you because there was a short time I was a skeptic but then I realized how obvious design and creation was.

You consistently use "I just can't believe it" as the justification for your claims. That belies your claim to have been a skeptic. You may have been a non-theist but that is not the same thing.

(23-08-2017 12:08 PM)CDF47 Wrote:  The debate ended in 1957 when Francis Crick realized the DNA that was discovered in 1953 operates like a machine code.

The operative word being "like". Analogies like that help us understand what is going on but you shouldn't confuse the analogy for the process.

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