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27-09-2017, 05:54 PM
RE: Belief vs Facts in the programed religious mind.
(27-09-2017 05:10 PM)CDF47 Wrote:  I come back because I care for you.

Perhaps you could be a little more pompous and condescending if you tried.

Quote:I don't understand atheism.

Simple; there are a lot of things we don't understand but assuming there must be a god doesn't actually answer any of the questions. It just lets you pretend that you have an answer.

Quote:DNA is the code of life

DNA is a bunch of chemicals doing what they do. Calling it a code is metaphorical to help make it easier to understand.

Quote:and the belief that nothing created everything is impossible.

Good thing that isn't what is claimed then. Lawrence Krauss might disagree with you though and unless you have advanced knowledge of physics you'd probably be better off saying "I don't know" and getting comfortable with that. Your lack of knowledge and personal incredulity doesn't carry much weight.

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27-09-2017, 06:22 PM
RE: Belief vs Facts in the programed religious mind.
(27-09-2017 05:10 PM)CDF47 Wrote:  DNA is the code of life and the belief that nothing created everything is impossible.

"Nothing" did not create the complexity around us. Well-understood material processes did. No God was necessary at any point, as far as science knows.

Saying God is necessary to explain the unknowns is called the God-of-the-gaps argument, which is an argument from ignorance (a logical fallacy).

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27-09-2017, 06:25 PM
RE: Belief vs Facts in the programed religious mind.
(27-09-2017 05:10 PM)CDF47 Wrote:  I come back because I care for you. I don't understand atheism. DNA is the code of life and the belief that nothing created everything is impossible.

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27-09-2017, 06:45 PM (This post was last modified: 27-09-2017 06:50 PM by CDF47.)
RE: Belief vs Facts in the programed religious mind.
(27-09-2017 06:22 PM)Thoreauvian Wrote:  
(27-09-2017 05:10 PM)CDF47 Wrote:  DNA is the code of life and the belief that nothing created everything is impossible.

"Nothing" did not create the complexity around us. Well-understood material processes did. No God was necessary at any point, as far as science knows.

Saying God is necessary to explain the unknowns is called the God-of-the-gaps argument, which is an argument from ignorance (a logical fallacy).

Now you understand a little more about how atheists think. Stick around and you can learn even more.

DNA is a highly sophisticated 4-digit code which provides the instructions for cells to build the body. All living organisms have this code. There are molecular machines. This code is miraculous. There are machines that are built by the code where if one part of the overall system is removed then the system is either degraded or fails to function (irreducibly complex).

These machines in the cells of living systems are built part by part in a nano-manufacturing plant using the code inside the DNA molecule. There are codes instructing the machine to start assembling parts in specific orders and instructing when to stop the assembly. There are spell checker type enzymes searching and correcting errors in the code, there is copying and transporting of the code. DNA has nested coding. DNA has a files within folders hierarchical structure. A senior software engineer with Microsoft once said DNA follows design strategies similar to those used by their software programmers but one far more advanced than they ever devised.

The specific genetic instructions to build a protein in even the simplest one celled organism would fill hundreds of pages of printed text.

Approximately 3 percent of DNA encodes protein sequences and the other 97 percent is noncoding DNA. Noncoding DNA transcribes into functional non-coding RNA molecules (like transfer RNA, ribosomal RNA, and regulator RNAs). Other functions of noncoding DNA include transcriptional and translational regulation of protein-coding sequences, scaffold attachment regions, origins of DNA replication, centormeters and telomeres. This is no longer referred to as "junk DNA." That was an old term. The noncoding DNA is more like the operating system.

See the video below for a brief explanation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVkdQhNdzHU

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27-09-2017, 07:19 PM
RE: Belief vs Facts in the programed religious mind.
(27-09-2017 06:45 PM)CDF47 Wrote:  ...

You user name sounds like a banned refrigerant.

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27-09-2017, 07:48 PM
RE: Belief vs Facts in the programed religious mind.
(27-09-2017 06:45 PM)CDF47 Wrote:  
(27-09-2017 06:22 PM)Thoreauvian Wrote:  "Nothing" did not create the complexity around us. Well-understood material processes did. No God was necessary at any point, as far as science knows.

Saying God is necessary to explain the unknowns is called the God-of-the-gaps argument, which is an argument from ignorance (a logical fallacy).

Now you understand a little more about how atheists think. Stick around and you can learn even more.

DNA is a highly sophisticated 4-digit code which provides the instructions for cells to build the body. All living organisms have this code. There are molecular machines. This code is miraculous. There are machines that are built by the code where if one part of the overall system is removed then the system is either degraded or fails to function (irreducibly complex).

These machines in the cells of living systems are built part by part in a nano-manufacturing plant using the code inside the DNA molecule. There are codes instructing the machine to start assembling parts in specific orders and instructing when to stop the assembly. There are spell checker type enzymes searching and correcting errors in the code, there is copying and transporting of the code. DNA has nested coding. DNA has a files within folders hierarchical structure. A senior software engineer with Microsoft once said DNA follows design strategies similar to those used by their software programmers but one far more advanced than they ever devised.

The specific genetic instructions to build a protein in even the simplest one celled organism would fill hundreds of pages of printed text.

Approximately 3 percent of DNA encodes protein sequences and the other 97 percent is noncoding DNA. Noncoding DNA transcribes into functional non-coding RNA molecules (like transfer RNA, ribosomal RNA, and regulator RNAs). Other functions of noncoding DNA include transcriptional and translational regulation of protein-coding sequences, scaffold attachment regions, origins of DNA replication, centormeters and telomeres. This is no longer referred to as "junk DNA." That was an old term. The noncoding DNA is more like the operating system.

See the video below for a brief explanation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVkdQhNdzHU

Complexity = god?

Here's a little bit of info that contradicts a benevolent god - Chloroquine resistance in malaria.

I hope you read that, it details how malaria has become resistant to chloroquine after we developed this useful drug to treat it and reduce the death rate. This "irreducibly complex" and "intelligently designed" drug resistance has cost millions of lives.

So why would a cellular parasite like malaria develop a resistance to chloroquine?

This demonstrates a non-intelligent evolutionary adaptation of the plasmodium parasite for survival. If you are to posit a deity in place of non-intelligent evolutionary adaptation, then that would be your deity that is fully responsible.

Now it is incumbent upon you to explain in clear terms exactly what this deity's intent is for modifying the plasmodium parasite to kill more humans and provide evidence that this is the ONLY plausible explanation that is considerably more plausible than mindless evolutionary adaptation.

So let's hear it! Give us this plausible explanation along with evidence for why your deity is modifying microscopic organisms to kill things. Why the blatant bio-terrorism?

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27-09-2017, 07:55 PM
RE: Belief vs Facts in the programed religious mind.
(27-09-2017 06:45 PM)CDF47 Wrote:  This code is miraculous

Irreducible complexity is an argument from ignorance.
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27-09-2017, 07:57 PM
RE: Belief vs Facts in the programed religious mind.
(27-09-2017 06:45 PM)CDF47 Wrote:  DNA is a highly sophisticated 4-digit code ...

You post Ray Comfort videos and then expect us to take you seriously in regards to science?

You post about DNA after touting a video that denies evolution?

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28-09-2017, 05:19 AM
RE: Belief vs Facts in the programed religious mind.
I've posted it elsewhere, but complexity for me (and for most people) is very much in favor of the evolutionary process and lack thereof a god or gods. Only something that has evolved of millions/billions of years to function in a specific way to benefit itself or it's overall well being [IE DNA for the organism it's within]/benefit from it's environment, could possibly be done in this way.

To say something so complex as this, as well as the rest of the universe and all we KNOW of it, is a "god did it" thing is ludicrous. This would mean that GOD or Gods, him/her/themselves know exactly how that works, and manually programmed it in, instead of just *poof* there is an animal....which is insane.

Another thing I've said is that unless you're depicting your god sitting in a garage with a welding mask on, and soldering iron trying to create life, whilst his wife tells him to stop tinkering around and come and have dinner, then you have NO argument what so ever for this god to even exist. All religions state their create just "made it so", but NOPE. Life/the planet/the universe are so insanely complex there is no other way for it to have happened that the way it DID ACTUALLY HAPPEN.

And I think that's what people like you don't understand. Life, the universe and everything, is just a giant accident created by, if I have this right, flawed atoms/matter created in the big bang. This is why things live and die, ranging from animals to stars, because the matter involved in constantly breaking down. Due to this fact, we reproduce and start again (People/animals and stars), and the process goes on and on and on. During this we have evolved to suit our needs, with various changes taking place. This is the incredibly simple answer to your thinking process, but theists like yourself cannot fathom an atheist way of thinking because you think our life means something, when it doesn't. The universe is one gigantic beautiful disaster that you should enjoy, because you're a person capable of comprehending the vastness of all of this, and THAT is what atheism is about. Humans are animals, not special beings placed by a creator, and we should just enjoy what we have, a cosmically laughably short existence and an almost infinite universe full of crazy insane things, that are not there because some twat in the clouds decided it should be there.

I mean really, I could go on, but my head is starting to hurt my head now, trying to figure out how dense you really are.

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28-09-2017, 01:06 PM
RE: Belief vs Facts in the programed religious mind.
(27-09-2017 07:48 PM)TheInquisition Wrote:  
(27-09-2017 06:45 PM)CDF47 Wrote:  DNA is a highly sophisticated 4-digit code which provides the instructions for cells to build the body. All living organisms have this code. There are molecular machines. This code is miraculous. There are machines that are built by the code where if one part of the overall system is removed then the system is either degraded or fails to function (irreducibly complex).

These machines in the cells of living systems are built part by part in a nano-manufacturing plant using the code inside the DNA molecule. There are codes instructing the machine to start assembling parts in specific orders and instructing when to stop the assembly. There are spell checker type enzymes searching and correcting errors in the code, there is copying and transporting of the code. DNA has nested coding. DNA has a files within folders hierarchical structure. A senior software engineer with Microsoft once said DNA follows design strategies similar to those used by their software programmers but one far more advanced than they ever devised.

The specific genetic instructions to build a protein in even the simplest one celled organism would fill hundreds of pages of printed text.

Approximately 3 percent of DNA encodes protein sequences and the other 97 percent is noncoding DNA. Noncoding DNA transcribes into functional non-coding RNA molecules (like transfer RNA, ribosomal RNA, and regulator RNAs). Other functions of noncoding DNA include transcriptional and translational regulation of protein-coding sequences, scaffold attachment regions, origins of DNA replication, centormeters and telomeres. This is no longer referred to as "junk DNA." That was an old term. The noncoding DNA is more like the operating system.

See the video below for a brief explanation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVkdQhNdzHU

Complexity = god?

Here's a little bit of info that contradicts a benevolent god - Chloroquine resistance in malaria.

I hope you read that, it details how malaria has become resistant to chloroquine after we developed this useful drug to treat it and reduce the death rate. This "irreducibly complex" and "intelligently designed" drug resistance has cost millions of lives.

So why would a cellular parasite like malaria develop a resistance to chloroquine?

This demonstrates a non-intelligent evolutionary adaptation of the plasmodium parasite for survival. If you are to posit a deity in place of non-intelligent evolutionary adaptation, then that would be your deity that is fully responsible.

Now it is incumbent upon you to explain in clear terms exactly what this deity's intent is for modifying the plasmodium parasite to kill more humans and provide evidence that this is the ONLY plausible explanation that is considerably more plausible than mindless evolutionary adaptation.

So let's hear it! Give us this plausible explanation along with evidence for why your deity is modifying microscopic organisms to kill things. Why the blatant bio-terrorism?

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