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24-09-2015, 03:01 AM (This post was last modified: 24-09-2015 03:05 AM by EvolutionKills.)
RE: Believe and now before it's too late.(With Science and Archaeology evidence for God)
(24-09-2015 02:39 AM)Thedetester Wrote:  STOP being this FOOL,do you want to BE TORMENTED in HELL?


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How come, when backed against the wall, your go-to argument is to sell fear?

Why are you so fucking afraid?

Why is fear the basis of your belief?



Fuck, I doubt you've even realized just how pathetic that is. To live a lie, based on fear. You sad little man.

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RE: Believe and now before it's too late.(With Science and Archaeology evidence for God)
(24-09-2015 03:00 AM)morondog Wrote:  Mods? Please ban this fucking sock *again*. Facepalm

Meantime, dickhead, you didn't answer the question. Your God apparently loves us but at the same time is perfectly fine torturing people he loves for eternity. Justice don't enter into it.

Your God is a cruel monster who doesn't love you or anyone. Fortunately he also doesn't exist.

There are atheists and agnostics who argue that the God who is presented in the Bible is cruel. For example, the online Skeptics Annotated Bible has an entire section devoted to biblical passages that, they claim, demonstrate that God is cruel. By labeling God as cruel, they are appealing to our human, moral sensibilities. The word cruelty is defined as "callous indifference to, or pleasure in, causing pain and suffering.” The question before us now is, Is God cruel? To answer in the affirmative, we would have to allow that God either doesn’t care about pain and suffering, or He actually enjoys watching His creatures suffer.

The atheists / agnostics who claim that God is cruel have a large burden of proof. They are not merely claiming to know about the actions of God; they are also claiming to sufficiently know the circumstances in which He performed those actions, as well as His motivations. Additionally, they are claiming to know the very mind of God, ascribing to Him the attitudes of indifference and/or sadistic pleasure necessary to define Him as cruel. Quite frankly, this is beyond the skeptics’ ability to demonstrate—they can’t possibly know the mind of God. “’For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,’ declares the LORD. ‘As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts’” (Isaiah 55:8-9).

There is no doubt that God both allows and, at times, causes pain and suffering, but God’s goodness cannot be impugned because He commits an act that appears cruel to us. While we can’t claim to know His reasoning in every circumstance, we do know several reasons for actions that can appear to us to be cruel, especially if we don’t know—or don’t bother to find out—the circumstances:

1. To mete out just punishment - If a punishment is just, can it be said to be cruel? What critics usually do not understand is that God’s love is not diminished when He brings punishment on people. God is able to bring judgment on an evil group of people in order to spare those who are devoted to Him. To allow evil and wrongdoing to go unpunished would indeed be cruel and would indicate a callousness toward the innocent. When God caused the Red Sea to close, drowning Pharaoh’s entire army, He was punishing Pharaoh’s rebellion against Him and preserving His chosen people from certain slaughter and annihilation (Exodus 14). Wrongdoing that does not result in punishment inevitably results in greater and greater wrongdoing, which benefits no one and is detrimental to the common good. Even when God told the Israelites to completely destroy the enemies of God, including women and children, He knew that to let them live would ensure the existence of future generations devoted to evil idolatrous practices—including in some cases child sacrifices on the altars of false gods.

2. To bring about a greater good- Pain and suffering that produce a greater good sometimes can be brought about by no other means. The Bible tells us that trials and difficulties produce stronger, better Christians, and we should “count it all joy” (James 1:2) when we encounter them. God brings these about for our benefit, in order to refine us like gold in the fire of affliction. The Apostle Paul saw his own suffering—beatings, stonings, shipwrecks, hunger, thirst, cold, imprisonments—as a means of ensuring that he would be ever conscious of his own weakness, would remember always that the power at work in him was from God, not himself, and would never be deluded into relying on his own power (2 Corinthians 1:8-10; 4:7-12). Against nonbelievers, God's justice is vindicated when He causes pain and suffering to them because they deserve it. He demonstrates His mercy to them by warning them repeatedly of the consequences of sin. When, through their own rebellion, they bring upon themselves calamity, this is just punishment, not cruelty. The fact that He lets rebels go on shaking their fists at Him as long as He does indicates His mercy and patience, not cruelty.

3. To glorify Himself - God is glorified by the exhibition of His attributes. We all agree that He looks pretty good to us when His love and mercy are on display, but since each and every attribute is holy and perfect, even the exhibition of His wrath and anger bring Him glory. And that is the ultimate goal—His glory, not ours. Our tiny, finite brains can't even adequately imagine Him, much less call Him into question.

All these are worthy, valid, noble causes for pain and suffering. Contrary to the claims of skeptics, there are good reasons for God’s allowing evil and suffering in this world. We are privileged to know some of those reasons, but we do not always know why God allows evil and suffering. To trust God in spite of not knowing the reasons is not a blind leap of faith. Rather, we trust Him with the things we don’t understand because we see His faithfulness in those actions which we do understand.

If we read the Bible carefully, rather than seeing God act out of cruelty, we see Him acting out of His love for us. For example, the book of Job is often pointed to as an example of God’s sadistic actions against an innocent man. The book declares that Job was innocent of the suffering that came upon him, which appears to favor the claim of the atheist. But to claim that it proves God is sadistic betrays a very superficial understanding of the book of Job.

In the Near East during the time of the patriarchs, a common belief was that God always blessed the righteous and brought suffering on the unrighteous. The book of Job is a polemic against that theology. The story shows that man’s view of God’s justice needed to be modified. We need to understand that God is not limited to using suffering as a means of retribution. He also uses it to tear people away from the earthly things that so easily entice them. Additionally, Job brings people closer to understanding God’s work of atonement on the cross. If mankind continued to think that God couldn’t allow an innocent man to suffer, then we would have missed God’s plan for redeeming the world. For God allowed the suffering of a perfectly innocent Man (Jesus Christ) in order to bring His own to salvation. So this book of Job ends up being an invaluable contribution to the history of redemption.

In summary, the skeptic must bear a very large burden of proof in claiming that God’s actions are characterized by cruelty. In context, the biblical passages which appear to paint God as cruel actually do no such thing. In fact, with a proper understanding of the Scriptures, we see that God’s actions are always motivated by, and consistent with, His holy and perfect character.
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24-09-2015, 03:04 AM
RE: Believe and now before it's too late.(With Science and Archaeology evidence for God)
"With proper secret understanding of the scriptures" Rolleyes

Why are you selling us this bullshit? You want converts, go find desperate people. We know snake oil merchants. You will not find customers here.

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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24-09-2015, 03:05 AM
RE: Believe and now before it's too late.(With Science and Archaeology evidence for God)
(24-09-2015 03:01 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(24-09-2015 02:39 AM)Thedetester Wrote:  STOP being this FOOL,do you want to BE TORMENTED in HELL?


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How come, when backed against the wall, your go-to argument is to sell fear?

Why are you so fucking afraid?

Why is fear the basis of your belief?



Fuck, I doubt you've even realized just how pathetic that is. To live a lie, based on fear. You sad little man.

Why I’m Not Afraid of Hell.

You might have noticed that we’re talking about Hell lately around these parts. There’s a reason for that. The terror induced by the threat of Hell is something a lot of Christians learn by their earliest childhood, and just like in losing weight, that first fear is often the last one to say goodbye. I’ve been noticing people mentioning this fear–either navigating the erosion of it or trying to push it onto others–and I think this is a good time to openly discuss one of the scariest and most toxic elements of the Christian religion. So let’s talk about Hell. - See more at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/excommunica...IBLXs.dpuf
Having a fear doesn’t mean that the object of that fear is a credible reason to be afraid. I knew a guy once who was mortally phobic about butterflies–and I really don’t think he was faking it. Some people fear ducks, or clowns, or particular numbers. These fears can be really compelling for the people who suffer from them. That doesn’t mean those fears are based on real danger or that the objects of those fears could or do really hurt anybody (except maybe the clowns).
Other people build up fears in their heads out of circumstantial evidence and sheer suggestibility, coming up with fears of space aliens, Satanic panics, or vaccination hysteria, as well as whatever Fox News is pushing gullible, ignorant people to be afraid of this week. Without the ability to discern facts from fiction and anecdotes from evidence, someone can get really lost in what is quickly becoming a whole alternate universe in the conservative wing-nut-o-sphere. That doesn’t mean that these conspiracy theories are credible or that they should be taken seriously.
Hell definitely falls into that category of stuff that should not be taken seriously. But to talk about why, I want to first run these scenarios past you.
- See more at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/excommunica...IBLXs.dpuf
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24-09-2015, 03:06 AM
RE: Believe and now before it's too late.(With Science and Archaeology evidence for God)
What the fuck? You are now refuting your own position???

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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24-09-2015, 03:10 AM
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Oh well.

I guess it gives me something to do.

Can't have people thinking I don't earn my salary.

Bye bye Mr Pimple.

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24-09-2015, 03:15 AM
RE: Believe and now before it's too late.(With Science and Archaeology evidence for God)
(24-09-2015 03:05 AM)Thedetester Wrote:  
(24-09-2015 03:01 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  [Image: lolololol-gif.gif?gs=a]

How come, when backed against the wall, your go-to argument is to sell fear?

Why are you so fucking afraid?

Why is fear the basis of your belief?



Fuck, I doubt you've even realized just how pathetic that is. To live a lie, based on fear. You sad little man.

Why I’m Not Afraid of Hell.

You might have noticed that we’re talking about Hell lately around these parts. There’s a reason for that. The terror induced by the threat of Hell is something a lot of Christians learn by their earliest childhood, and just like in losing weight, that first fear is often the last one to say goodbye. I’ve been noticing people mentioning this fear–either navigating the erosion of it or trying to push it onto others–and I think this is a good time to openly discuss one of the scariest and most toxic elements of the Christian religion. So let’s talk about Hell. - See more at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/excommunica...IBLXs.dpuf
Having a fear doesn’t mean that the object of that fear is a credible reason to be afraid. I knew a guy once who was mortally phobic about butterflies–and I really don’t think he was faking it. Some people fear ducks, or clowns, or particular numbers. These fears can be really compelling for the people who suffer from them. That doesn’t mean those fears are based on real danger or that the objects of those fears could or do really hurt anybody (except maybe the clowns).
Other people build up fears in their heads out of circumstantial evidence and sheer suggestibility, coming up with fears of space aliens, Satanic panics, or vaccination hysteria, as well as whatever Fox News is pushing gullible, ignorant people to be afraid of this week. Without the ability to discern facts from fiction and anecdotes from evidence, someone can get really lost in what is quickly becoming a whole alternate universe in the conservative wing-nut-o-sphere. That doesn’t mean that these conspiracy theories are credible or that they should be taken seriously.
Hell definitely falls into that category of stuff that should not be taken seriously. But to talk about why, I want to first run these scenarios past you.
- See more at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/excommunica...IBLXs.dpuf

'I'm not afraid of Hell, BUT YOU SHOULD BE!'

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24-09-2015, 06:53 AM (This post was last modified: 24-09-2015 07:32 AM by RobbyPants.)
RE: Believe and now before it's too late.(With Science and Archaeology evidence for God)
(17-09-2015 02:38 PM)Hesso Wrote:  Some of you here may have have an empty heart,some of you here will have an rejective mind to anything godly so that would mean no matter what evidence I give to you,you will reject,some of you will try to drop my reputation number,and some of you will try to get me banned,because they worry that they may lose but it's not about winning or losing we are brother's and sisters,I will not take them personal and if you respond to this then,I will respond.

The problem here is that you're asserting correctness in something that you don't have any proof of. Then, you're preemptively demonizing our response as being dismissive out of hand.


(17-09-2015 02:38 PM)Hesso Wrote:  People claim to reject God’s existence because it is “not scientific” or “because there is no proof.” The true reason is that once they admit that there is a God, they also must realize that they are responsible to God and in need of forgiveness from Him (Romans 3:23, 6:23). If God exists, then we are accountable to Him for our actions. If God does not exist, then we can do whatever we want(like watching Porn)without having to worry about God judging us. That is why many of those who deny the existence of God cling strongly to the theory of naturalistic evolution—it gives them an alternative to believing in a Creator God. God exists and ultimately everyone knows that He exists.

See, this right here is what I was talking about. You present no non-presuppositional evidence that God exists, and you're already questioning my motives. You bring no evidence, then say it doesn't matter because I just want to "be bad", anyway.

The thing is, without any evidence, you're effectively arguing for leprechauns. That's actually a really good benchmark to see if a line of arguing is even worth taking. If you can replace every instance of the word "god" with "leprechauns" and have the same argument, it's probably not good.


(17-09-2015 02:38 PM)Hesso Wrote:  The very fact that some attempt so aggressively to disprove His existence is in fact an argument for His existence.

Okay, this is that leprechaun thing I was just talking about.

"The very fact that some attempt so aggressively to disprove the existence of leprechauns is in fact an argument for their existence."

I mean, is it? Does the fact that people think that leprechauns are nonsensical somehow make them more believable? Really?


(17-09-2015 02:38 PM)Hesso Wrote:  Watch these video's make sure you watch both video's,it will blow your atheist mind's off,but these video's may not be good enough,to blow the mind's of some atheist's but to them I say allow me to help you.

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That's well over an hour of video there, and I already know that the most compelling thing in there will either be presupposition or appeals to emotion. No one has proven any god exists ever. I'm not going to waste over an hour of my life to see if those videos are somehow breaking new theological ground that no one ever has, before.

Just a tip: these types of arguments are always way more convincing to people who are already convinced. I get that you don't agree with me, and that you might see my world view as nonsensical. I get that. I was Christian for over 30 years. It's a huge paradigm shift, and unless you're willing to actually consider the possibility that there are no gods, it doesn't make any sense.


(17-09-2015 02:38 PM)Hesso Wrote:  You might see me as your enemy,and you might wonder why I waste my time being here,It is because I love you's,I don't want you to be in hell.

I don't see you as my enemy, so long as you don't try to force your views on me. I'm not out to forcibly de-convert you or make you live your life the way I think you should live it.
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24-09-2015, 07:04 AM
RE: Believe and now before it's too late.(With Science and Archaeology evidence for God)
(24-09-2015 06:53 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  The problem here is that you're asserting correctness in something that you don't have any proof of. Then, you're preemptively demoralizing our response as being

I know I'm demoralized Sadcryface2

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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24-09-2015, 07:33 AM
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(24-09-2015 07:04 AM)morondog Wrote:  
(24-09-2015 06:53 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  The problem here is that you're asserting correctness in something that you don't have any proof of. Then, you're preemptively demoralizing our response as being

I know I'm demoralized Sadcryface2

Well, that too.

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