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17-10-2017, 09:15 PM
RE: Believe!
(17-10-2017 04:18 PM)Eagle Wrote:  
(17-10-2017 04:13 PM)mordant Wrote:  That WAS the dictionary definition. More exactly, as I explicitly said, the RELEVANT one to this discussion.
The one you cherry-picked is really synonymous with "religion" since it is simply a "system of religious veneration". Christianity is directed to a specific figure (Christ). Cult vs religion is entirely in the eye of the beholder.
I clicked on your link and it took me to the EXACT definition I posted. Maybe you have different Google than me.

'a system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object.'
Read past that line. There are three definitions given.

In any case: Christianity is veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure, Jesus.
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17-10-2017, 09:42 PM
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(17-10-2017 04:52 PM)Eagle Wrote:  
(17-10-2017 04:48 PM)Chas Wrote:  The KJV is no more authoritative than any other version, and less so than most.
It was based on a mediocre Latin translation and much of it is inaccurately done.
The authors made lovely poetry, but poor theologians.
Thank you stating your assertion as correct, but, like everything else you say, it's wrong! Big Grin

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18-10-2017, 12:09 AM
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(17-10-2017 04:11 PM)Eagle Wrote:  “For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.” 1 Corithians 3:19

Just a tip, although it seems that you don't listen to them. Leave out the scripture. No one reads them. No one gives any weight to it just because it's from the Bible. you're just interjecting noise into your posts and makes them more difficult to read as the reader then needs to scan through to the next paragraph to continue reading.
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18-10-2017, 12:18 AM
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(17-10-2017 05:01 PM)Eagle Wrote:  Congratulations on being so educated! I'm sure mom will be pleased Big Grin

YES!!

In your face Merkins! He's probably not a Brit! At least, it's more compelling evidence than his use of 'whilst'.
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18-10-2017, 12:37 AM
RE: Believe!
(17-10-2017 02:55 PM)Eagle Wrote:  
(16-10-2017 02:47 AM)DLJ Wrote:  Hi Eagle,

Ignoring all the Pascal's wager triteness (as Thedemonbarber pointed out) there might be something useful in understanding how your beliefs came about.

To get there, I need your help in clarifying some of the terminology you use as it seems at odds with my version of reality:


we
Who is we? Do you feel like you have established a consensus here on TTA or are you referring to maybe a local group of friends and acquaintances from the non-virtual world?

proven
'Proof' relates to maths and alcohol. What do you think this word means?

God
Please provide a definition and/or a description (or set of attributes) so that we can determine whether we are all talking about the same thing.

logical
What form of logic are you applying?

universe
Please provide a definition and/or a description (or set of attributes) so that we can determine whether we are all talking about the same thing.

Evolution
No need to provide a definition for this one as I saw your earlier thread and I know we are not talking about the same thing.

believe on Jesus
What is the difference between "believe on" and "believe in"?

sins
I've seen various definitions of this including a very mild version that simply refers to "missing the mark" derived from archery.
So, please provide a definition so that we can determine whether we are all talking about the same thing.

Thanks in advance.

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Hi,

It doesn't really matter per se, but I prefer believing on, because, this is what the Bible uses, and because, you believe on Jesus, and Holy Spirit then lives in you, as a born again believer.

Thanks for the reply.

So "on" vs. "in" is a memetic mutation? OK.

Could you please explain the mechanism for this Spirit becoming internalised? I'd like to understand this in more detail.

(17-10-2017 02:55 PM)Eagle Wrote:  ...
The 'missing the mark' you mention comes from Hebrew Chata and Greek Hamartano. Other words are transgression and crookedness. Anything which is against the nature of holy, perfect and righ[t]eous God is sin. Even if you don't do anything wrong, failing to help someone who needs help is sinful, because you haven't loved your neighbour as yourself, so as you can see even seemingly good people transgress, so we've no chance of being good enough on our own.
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That's cool, I do love my neighbour (correct spelling noted) as myself (probably more often and more generously). Therefore no sin. Yay, me.

Of course, I treat myself fairly carelessly so that's not too difficult.

(17-10-2017 02:55 PM)Eagle Wrote:  ...
I define the universe as the dictionary defines it:

'all existing matter and space considered as a whole; the cosmos. The universe is believed to be at least 10 billion light years in diameter and contains a vast number of galaxies; it has been expanding since its creation in the Big Bang about 13 billion years ago.'
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(17-10-2017 03:18 PM)Eagle Wrote:  ...
proselytize; 'convert or attempt to convert (someone) from one religion, belief, or opinion to another.' which is hard to avoid in a discussion.

But, if I get banned for that, there's worse things to get banned for than telling someone how to go to Heaven - despite how angry a person might be against God.
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No one gets banned for proselytising.

Or for "telling someone how to go to Heaven" (everyone likes a good fairy tale).

However, one may be banned for how one goes about "telling someone how to go to Heaven".


(17-10-2017 03:26 PM)Eagle Wrote:  ...
The dictionary,
cult:
'a system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object'
...

Seems OK. It's notable that literary figures and imaginary figures are not excluded from that definition.

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18-10-2017, 01:17 AM
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I've heard it suggested that the difference between a cult and a religion is that the central figure is still alive in a cult. In all other respects, there seems to be no real difference. Religions have achieved a level of social acceptance, that's all.

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18-10-2017, 03:48 AM
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Quote:But, if I get banned for that, there's worse things to get banned for than telling someone how to go to Heaven - despite how angry a person might be against God.

No one is angry at god they're angry at you and not because you are a christian but because you are a willfully ignorant self righteous and rather unpleasant individual who is actively lying to the forum and comes across as a particularly odious troll. The only smart thing you have done here is play the system and skirt around on the edges just avoiding getting banned by thin margin and even then I'm uncertain if this is by accident or design.
Ironically you couldn't have hurt your cause more by your conduct here if you had tried, I'm even more atheistic and less kindly disposed towards Christianity as the result of your behaviour since you got here and any anonymous lurkers on the cusp of leaving religion are much more likely to be put off too, even our resident theists find you an insufferable embarrassment, you have failed miserably.
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18-10-2017, 04:17 AM
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Eagle Wrote:But, if I get banned for that, there's worse things to get banned for than telling someone how to go to Heaven - despite how angry a person might be against God.

I'm still certain you're trolling the forum but....

Nobody here is "against god". That's not what Atheism is. At all. So please stop with that. An Atheist is defined as:

Quote:A person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods

We lack this belief because there is no evidence to say otherwise. Not books written by men, no physical "Hey, this is god up here" messages. Nothing.

I'm an Atheist, and always have been, but in all honesty I would genuinely LOVE there to be a god or gods. I think I've mentioned this before, but the reason being if we all, all people in the entire world knew for a 100% fact that everything on this earth was created by god..what would be the point in ANYTHING we do right now? Jobs/what we value to be important or not/school anything like that?

For example: If god created the world, and thus created all things (Animals/people/the earth etc), then why would we need to work for money? Why would we bother making anything that is a product to sell to people or service for people to do. Why would we bother going to school to learn Maths/English/history, when who the fuck cares, because "LOLZ god did it". What would be the point in doing anything ever? People would be 100% nicer to each other, as long as this supposed god physically lay down the law and didn't let people decide things for themselves, more in relation to "what does X mean, I think it means this".

I can't believe a god or god exist, because there is NOTHING at all that proves otherwise. Even IF you think evolution is wrong, and even IF you think all known factual scientific discoveries are false.....there is STILL nothing to prove that a god exists. Remember, lack of evidence doesn't mean something else becomes true. You have to prove it.

Men wrote the books in the bible, that's why it's so wildly inconsistent throughout. People who wanted to control other people, using various stories (some already in their cannon, others knowingly stolen from other cultures) whilst also overlaying their religion on EXISTING public celebrations (The holiday now known as Christmas was already a thing, but was called something else and celebrated for different reasons........IE it's not Jesus' birthday ), to help the masses conform to one giant religion, for the pure sake of being controlled.

Being a skeptic is not about hating one thing or another, it's about asking questions. If you walked into a church and got told "this is the holy book, and we're all created by an invisible man in the sky" without asking for proof......you're a fucking lunatic.

You'll be banned shortly, for being a trolling ass-hat, and for no other reason. Nobody cares if you're religious, if you actually are, but it's annoyed when people take the piss/troll others/or the very worst thing, which is shoving your beliefs in other peoples faces. We don't send scientists to churches....and if we did, they would sit down with each person and converse, not blindly shout "EVOLUTION IS FACT, YOU'RE ALL APES" until they got kicked out.

Now please, go fuck yourself, and stop being a cock-womble.

Thank you.

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18-10-2017, 04:24 AM
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I love the word cock-womble.
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18-10-2017, 05:55 AM
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Quote:You'll be banned shortly, for being a trolling ass-hat, and for no other reason.

I wouldn't be so sure about that mate, the banning criteria on TTA is fluidic and can be highly discretionary so unless our feathered friend posts porn (unlikely) or is discovered to be a sock puppet (also unlikely) he could be here for some time to come. My own theory is that it hasn't escaped the administrations notice that Eagles arsehattery and his delusions are so profound that it renders him one of the best advertisements for atheism that TTA currently has.
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