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28-02-2016, 07:18 AM
RE: Bernie suffers a humiliating loss in South Carolina
(28-02-2016 04:09 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  My interest is fractionally larger than zero; however, even I knew this wasn't a surprise. "Humiliating" is a bit much. Angel
True, it wasn't unexpected that he would lose South Carolina, but nobody expected him to lose this big. The polling average showed a gap of 20-30%, not 50%. That's what makes it so humiliating. Tongue

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28-02-2016, 07:59 AM
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This victory hints at a southern sweep for Clinton, and if that's the case, he's screwed because she won't lose NY or California if it gets there.

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28-02-2016, 08:05 AM
RE: Bernie suffers a humiliating loss in South Carolina
(28-02-2016 07:59 AM)WillHopp Wrote:  This victory hints at a southern sweep for Clinton, and if that's the case, he's screwed because she won't lose NY or California if it gets there.

Trump has a solution for this, you know... Though I'd hate to be cut off from Alaska, sacrifices must be made.

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28-02-2016, 09:16 AM
RE: Bernie suffers a humiliating loss in South Carolina
(27-02-2016 10:39 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  
(27-02-2016 10:26 PM)larry-new Wrote:  This Bernie supporter will vote for Trump before Hillary. I was able to say this on N.P.R....On Point yesterday.

Why? We need a shakup more than a same-old...

That was you? Lol, I was shaking my head at that, no offense intended. A Trump Presidency would be an unmitigated disaster for America.

What part of the rejection of politics do we not get?

The revolution we gave up on decades ago may be here, in a not very palatable form, to be sure, but it just might chase the old guard out, and I include Hillary in this.

Other long time liberals I know will just hold their noses and vote in Hillary, but I sense something else on the wind.

The unmitigated disaster you refer to I agree with, but even this might be mitigated by the possible, and channel a Pres. Trump into the deal making he knows how to do.

The underlying problem here is that Bernie needs to run against a do-nothing Congress, as Truman did. Without such a sea change, we are doomed to repeating the inaction of the last few years, and will suffer an America that still doesn't take care of its own.

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28-02-2016, 09:32 AM
RE: Bernie suffers a humiliating loss in South Carolina
(27-02-2016 10:37 PM)yakherder Wrote:  
(27-02-2016 10:17 PM)Vosur Wrote:  No wonder the armed forces don't like Hillary 'Benghazi' Clinton and her rapist husband when they treat them like this:



Yeah that's been making the rounds on the various military oriented Facebook groups. And even aside from the Benghazi issue, things like that ridiculous story she retold a few times about getting off her plane under sniper fire didn't earn her any support. Maybe most people see that as a minor fabrication in the bigger picture, but in the military false valor is a big thing right now.

If Bernie gets elected many of us won't like it, but we'll accept it. The issues with him are political, based on his stated stances, not personal. But if Hillary gets elected, people will start leaving the military before lowering themselves to acknowledging her as their commander in chief.
Do they still dislike Brian Williams or has that been washed over?

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28-02-2016, 10:49 AM
RE: Bernie suffers a humiliating loss in South Carolina
(28-02-2016 07:18 AM)Vosur Wrote:  
(28-02-2016 04:09 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  My interest is fractionally larger than zero; however, even I knew this wasn't a surprise. "Humiliating" is a bit much. Angel
True, it wasn't unexpected that he would lose South Carolina, but nobody expected him to lose this big. The polling average showed a gap of 20-30%, not 50%. That's what makes it so humiliating. Tongue

Meh. Just a reminder to the dreamchildren that Sanders is left of left field. Evil_monster

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28-02-2016, 10:52 AM
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(28-02-2016 09:16 AM)larry-new Wrote:  
(27-02-2016 10:39 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  That was you? Lol, I was shaking my head at that, no offense intended. A Trump Presidency would be an unmitigated disaster for America.

What part of the rejection of politics do we not get?

I don't know what part you don't get, but I don't get the idea that you can go into DC and operate without politics. There is, after all, this little thing called "Congress" that you actually have to work with if you want to get your platform enacted. And that, my friend, requires politics.

(28-02-2016 09:16 AM)larry-new Wrote:  The revolution we gave up on decades ago may be here, in a not very palatable form, to be sure, but it just might chase the old guard out, and I include Hillary in this.

Other long time liberals I know will just hold their noses and vote in Hillary, but I sense something else on the wind.

I will hold my nose and vote for Hillary over Trump, not because I'm a liberal -- I'm not -- but because Trump is a screaming cunt who doesn't know his ass from third base about running a country. Have you read his policy positions? Have you seen how vacuous they are?

He's banking on his supporters being too lazy to look beyond the hype. Once you do, you'll see that he's a stuffed shirt.

(28-02-2016 09:16 AM)larry-new Wrote:  The unmitigated disaster you refer to I agree with, but even this might be mitigated by the possible, and channel a Pres. Trump into the deal making he knows how to do.

When you're the President of the US, those deals cannot be rescued by declarations of bankruptcy. Other countries, possessing nuclear weapons pointed at as, will look at his bluster and chuckle quietly. The idea that he can break through logjams with the force of his personality is not one that I'd put much stock in.

(28-02-2016 09:16 AM)larry-new Wrote:  The underlying problem here is that Bernie needs to run against a do-nothing Congress, as Truman did. Without such a sea change, we are doomed to repeating the inaction of the last few years, and will suffer an America that still doesn't take care of its own.

Get used to it. Until attitudes in Congress change, and until the two parties put the country before their own fortunes, nothing will change.
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28-02-2016, 11:04 AM
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(28-02-2016 09:32 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  
(27-02-2016 10:37 PM)yakherder Wrote:  Yeah that's been making the rounds on the various military oriented Facebook groups. And even aside from the Benghazi issue, things like that ridiculous story she retold a few times about getting off her plane under sniper fire didn't earn her any support. Maybe most people see that as a minor fabrication in the bigger picture, but in the military false valor is a big thing right now.

If Bernie gets elected many of us won't like it, but we'll accept it. The issues with him are political, based on his stated stances, not personal. But if Hillary gets elected, people will start leaving the military before lowering themselves to acknowledging her as their commander in chief.
Do they still dislike Brian Williams or has that been washed over?

Not to the same degree.

A: He was disciplined.
B: Many of the new guys coming in right now were still in diapers when it happened, which makes me feel old as shit.

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28-02-2016, 11:44 AM
RE: Bernie suffers a humiliating loss in South Carolina
(28-02-2016 10:52 AM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  
(28-02-2016 09:16 AM)larry-new Wrote:  What part of the rejection of politics do we not get?

I don't know what part you don't get, but I don't get the idea that you can go into DC and operate without politics. There is, after all, this little thing called "Congress" that you actually have to work with if you want to get your platform enacted. And that, my friend, requires politics.

(28-02-2016 09:16 AM)larry-new Wrote:  The revolution we gave up on decades ago may be here, in a not very palatable form, to be sure, but it just might chase the old guard out, and I include Hillary in this.

Other long time liberals I know will just hold their noses and vote in Hillary, but I sense something else on the wind.

I will hold my nose and vote for Hillary over Trump, not because I'm a liberal -- I'm not -- but because Trump is a screaming cunt who doesn't know his ass from third base about running a country. Have you read his policy positions? Have you seen how vacuous they are?

He's banking on his supporters being too lazy to look beyond the hype. Once you do, you'll see that he's a stuffed shirt.

(28-02-2016 09:16 AM)larry-new Wrote:  The unmitigated disaster you refer to I agree with, but even this might be mitigated by the possible, and channel a Pres. Trump into the deal making he knows how to do.

When you're the President of the US, those deals cannot be rescued by declarations of bankruptcy. Other countries, possessing nuclear weapons pointed at as, will look at his bluster and chuckle quietly. The idea that he can break through logjams with the force of his personality is not one that I'd put much stock in.

(28-02-2016 09:16 AM)larry-new Wrote:  The underlying problem here is that Bernie needs to run against a do-nothing Congress, as Truman did. Without such a sea change, we are doomed to repeating the inaction of the last few years, and will suffer an America that still doesn't take care of its own.

Get used to it. Until attitudes in Congress change, and until the two parties put the country before their own fortunes, nothing will change.


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Shocked! Shocked, I tell you.....I'm over that phase (5 stages of grief?) and looking at the unwavering and swelling support that will put this buffoon into office. We have been describing the American electorate as precisely that for years, and now they have one they call their own, and will not lightly give him up. Our gaffes are their rallying cry...pride in being non-politically correct.

Yes, America will survive even this...a Hollywood actor as Pres. should have warned us, but he was smooth, and this guy is at home on the docks. So was Studs Terkel, whose take on this I would have loved to hear.

Would that Bernie had such support. A President Sanders facing a do- nothing Congress might be an exercise in frustration. I do not accept politics as usual, the best definition of Hillary (and her "I won't propose anything that hasn't a chance of passing." mentality) that I've heard. I do not even accept politics, as there is noone left to compromise with. Destruction seems to be, if not a comfortably viable, then a survivable alternative.

Attitudes will change when Congressional effigies, if not the officeholders themselves, are hung from Pennsylvania Ave.lampposts. I welcome the chance to shake things up, and rail against the status quo, or, as Vidal wrote, the Few controlling the Many through Opinion.

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28-02-2016, 03:48 PM
RE: Bernie suffers a humiliating loss in South Carolina
(27-02-2016 09:14 PM)yakherder Wrote:  I'm not edumacated enough to make big predictions, but I'll say this. A Hillary nomination will bring out the Trump voters much more so than a Bernie nomination.

Anyone who remembers the 90s remembers how much vitriol was slung at Hillary, even when she was just the First Lady.

Conservatives have 24 years of talking about how much they all loathe her under their belts. I think a Hillary win most definitely guarantees big turnouts to vote against her.

On the other hand, since Bernie has openly stated that he's in favor of European-style socialism, and most of those same hyper-conservative voters have been conditioned by 65 years of anti-commie rhetoric to react viscerally to the very mention of the word socialist, it may do the same if Sanders wins the nomination.

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