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24-10-2013, 07:58 PM
Better to not have been?
Hello.

Now that you're here, do you prefer the torment of existence or the horror of non-being? Coming into existence at all gives chances to become one with everything (AKA God) but also the chance to die, confused and angry, with no insight. This thread assumes that an afterlife could exist, but does not matter.


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24-10-2013, 08:29 PM
RE: Better to not have been?
We are the lucky ones.

But now I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.

~ Umberto Eco
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24-10-2013, 08:37 PM
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Give me non-existence or give me DEATH!

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24-10-2013, 08:39 PM
RE: Better to not have been?
(24-10-2013 08:37 PM)DLJ Wrote:  Give me non-existence or give me DEATH!

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24-10-2013, 09:29 PM
RE: Better to not have been?
(24-10-2013 07:58 PM)The_Thinking_Theist Wrote:  Coming into existence at all gives chances to become one with everything (AKA God) but also the chance to die, confused and angry, with no insight.

So a Buddhist monk says to the hot dog vendor...
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24-10-2013, 09:40 PM
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What would non-beingness feel like? More specifically, what would non-beingness feel like TO WHOM?

Non-beingness means no being, no whom to feel what it would be like to not exist. In other words, in order to experience non-existence something would have to exist to have the experience, and since it requires existence to have experience it would of course not be an experience of non-beingness but an experience of beingness. Non-existence cannot be experienced, no matter how badly we might wish certain others would be forced to experience it Tongue
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24-10-2013, 09:56 PM
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I don't experience torment now, and didn't experience any horror at all as a non-being prior to my birth, so I can't answer either way. Why not compare the joy of existence to the peace of non-being?

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24-10-2013, 10:50 PM (This post was last modified: 25-10-2013 06:26 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Better to not have been?
“I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.” -- Mark Twain

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25-10-2013, 04:18 AM
RE: Better to not have been?
Makes me think of:

"Gut ist der Schlaf,
der Tod ist besser - freilich
Das beste wäre, nie geboren sein."
-Heinrich Heine, "Morphine"

I disagree, though, I'd rather have lived than not.

If we're only talking about post-death, I'd day nonexistence, because I think an afterlife would get pretty boring after a few millenia or so.
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25-10-2013, 05:07 AM
RE: Better to not have been?
(24-10-2013 07:58 PM)The_Thinking_Theist Wrote:  Hello.

Now that you're here, do you prefer the torment of existence or the horror of non-being? Coming into existence at all gives chances to become one with everything (AKA God) but also the chance to die, confused and angry, with no insight. This thread assumes that an afterlife could exist, but does not matter.


What say you?

I think that which has been asked of us here is a non-question, in a way.

I cannot say that I prefer the 'torment of existence' over the 'horror of non-being'. My current existence is no more full of torment than your average brick is filled with Condors. That is to say; it isn't, at least not in any significant sense.

As for the 'horror of non-being', I can merely say that I cannot speculate upon or for preference in such a regard. 'Non-being', I surmise, would be better put as 'not existing', to which I ask "Where is the horror in not existing?". If I stopped existing, or 'being' if you do so prefer; then by dint of my choice, I would not know it as I would not be! Without my existing to experience it, from whence comes the horror of it?

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