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15-11-2013, 04:26 PM
RE: Bible Prophecy: Israel becoming a nation
(15-11-2013 11:51 AM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
Quote:You did all notice the lying Christian FAILED to name ONE of the converts who left TTA.

You do know the site has lurkers and guests, and that I can receive PMs, right?

Quote:"Fulfilled prophecy" is not a "hallmark" of anything. There is nothing in the creeds of Christianity that says it's a "hallmark" of anything. None of the mainline (non-fundie) branches. affirm the necessity of buying into this fallacy.

Using a cultural fallacy to affirm, or as a criteria of determination, of what is "true" is high irony, indeed.

The irony is you are yet to answer my question as to how you can accuse me of refusing to debate the scholars' text you've cited when I've proposed a debate format to you and you refused to debate me. That puts you somewhere between childish and deliberately lying.

Nice try. You have never once posted ONE scholarly reference to support your position or ONCE refuted ANY of the scholarly articles I have posted. You are squarely in the lying camp. You said you have converts. You have none, and we all know it. You know it. If you were honest you would admit it. We all know from the retarded "cousin" thing you are a liar. You continue to do so. Lying for Jebus. How quaint. Troll.

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15-11-2013, 05:50 PM
RE: Bible Prophecy: Israel becoming a nation
(15-11-2013 03:50 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
(15-11-2013 12:03 PM)Impulse Wrote:  I don't "ignore the **hidden god--revealed only to initiates** context", I dismiss it as nonsensical. If God has something to communicate, how does it make sense that he would communicate it only to some? He wants us to worship and obey him, but will only tell a few how to do so? Does that really make sense to you?

You say he is hidden because of human sin? And, how does that make sense? Let's see, now what was that sin? Oh yeah, original sin. That's the one where God set up humans for failure, put them in the best place to fail, and when they "failed" by merely eating a single forbidden piece of fruit, he punished them with disease, hunger, tornadoes, earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanoes, earthquakes, droughts, disabilities at birth, animals feeding on other animals, and countless other consequences - one of which you claim is that he is now hidden from us. Well friggin' no wonder he hides! He must be infinitely embarrassed by such a colossal temper tantrum!

In the first paragraph, you asked me a question. In the second, you setup your own rhetorical answer.

Let me know if you want me to actually answer your question of the first paragraph.

Thanks.
Why else would I ask you a question if I didn't want an answer? Rolleyes

As to my second question, it was not intended to be entirely rhetorical. I'm asking if it makes sense to you that a god would be hidden due to human sin and I provided a context for you to consider with your answer.

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26-08-2014, 05:17 AM
RE: Bible Prophecy: Israel becoming a nation
This is not going to answer your question.. But it is in the same subject to prophecy in the Bible. Atheists say mere people wrote the bible.. Then they have a lot of explaining to do regarding astonishing prophecies of Israel in the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ..

For instance.. How did Joel know the future Israel will be divided? It is narrated that Jesus will come and fight against Israels enemies all over the Bible.. Who wrote this? A organized crime mob that now control the middle east? I can share with you a lot in regarding Bible prophecy but here is one.

Joel 3 (KJV)
1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,

2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage ISRAEL, whom they have scattered among the nations, and PARTED MY LAND.

3 And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink.

4 Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? will ye render me a recompence? and if ye recompense me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head;

5 Because ye have taken my silver and my gold, and have carried into your temples my goodly pleasant things:

6 The children also of Judah and the children of Jerusalem have ye sold unto the Grecians, that ye might remove them far from their border.

7 Behold, I will raise them out of the place whither ye have sold them, and will return your recompence upon your own head:

8 And I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the children of Judah, and they shall sell them to the Sabeans, to a people far off: for the Lord hath spoken it.

9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:

10 Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.

11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O Lord.

12 Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.

13 Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.

14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision.

15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.

16 The Lord also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the Lord will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.

17 So shall ye know that I am the Lord your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more.

18 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the mountains shall drop down new wine, and the hills shall flow with milk, and all the rivers of Judah shall flow with waters, and a fountain shall come forth out of the house of the Lord, and shall water the valley of Shittim.

19 Egypt shall be a desolation, and Edom shall be a desolate wilderness, for the violence against the children of Judah, because they have shed innocent blood in their land.

20 But Judah shall dwell for ever, and Jerusalem from generation to generation.

21 For I will cleanse their blood that I have not cleansed: for the Lord dwelleth in Zion.
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26-08-2014, 05:29 AM
RE: Bible Prophecy: Israel becoming a nation
Thanks Michael. I needed a chuckle.

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26-08-2014, 01:11 PM
RE: Bible Prophecy: Israel becoming a nation
(26-08-2014 05:17 AM)Michael1 Wrote:  This is not going to answer your question.. But it is in the same subject to prophecy in the Bible. Atheists say mere people wrote the bible.. Then they have a lot of explaining to do regarding astonishing prophecies of Israel in the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ..

For instance.. How did Joel know the future Israel will be divided? It is narrated that Jesus will come and fight against Israels enemies all over the Bible.. Who wrote this? A organized crime mob that now control the middle east? I can share with you a lot in regarding Bible prophecy but here is one.

Joel 3 (KJV)
1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,

2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage ISRAEL, whom they have scattered among the nations, and PARTED MY LAND.

3 And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink.

4 Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? will ye render me a recompence? and if ye recompense me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head;

5 Because ye have taken my silver and my gold, and have carried into your temples my goodly pleasant things:

6 The children also of Judah and the children of Jerusalem have ye sold unto the Grecians, that ye might remove them far from their border.

7 Behold, I will raise them out of the place whither ye have sold them, and will return your recompence upon your own head:

8 And I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the children of Judah, and they shall sell them to the Sabeans, to a people far off: for the Lord hath spoken it.

9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:

10 Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.

11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O Lord.

12 Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.

13 Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.

14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision.

15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.

16 The Lord also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the Lord will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.

17 So shall ye know that I am the Lord your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more.

18 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the mountains shall drop down new wine, and the hills shall flow with milk, and all the rivers of Judah shall flow with waters, and a fountain shall come forth out of the house of the Lord, and shall water the valley of Shittim.

19 Egypt shall be a desolation, and Edom shall be a desolate wilderness, for the violence against the children of Judah, because they have shed innocent blood in their land.

20 But Judah shall dwell for ever, and Jerusalem from generation to generation.

21 For I will cleanse their blood that I have not cleansed: for the Lord dwelleth in Zion.

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26-08-2014, 01:16 PM
RE: Bible Prophecy: Israel becoming a nation
I bet god wasn't counting on half of Israel's leaders being atheists.

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26-08-2014, 01:19 PM
RE: Bible Prophecy: Israel becoming a nation
There are just as many if not more failed prophesies as there are ones that came true. The fundamental nature of "prophesy" was NOT about omen reading, (which was forbidden). So the entire question is a red herring, (and ignorance of the role of a prophet in ancient Israel). The prophecy was NOT that Israel was going to rise as a "nation". It's now a democratic secular country, with as many Arabs as Jews. THAT is NOT what the "prophesy" was. The prophesy was that the KINGDOM would be re-established.

Atheists have nothing to "explain".
Theists need to explain why they fucking slept through Bible 101 when the professor was lecturing on prophesy.

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26-08-2014, 01:51 PM
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(26-08-2014 01:19 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  There are just as many if not more failed prophesies as there are ones that came true. The fundamental nature of "prophesy" was NOT about omen reading, (which was forbidden). So the entire question is a red herring, (and ignorance of the role of a prophet in ancient Israel). The prophecy was NOT that Israel was going to rise as a "nation". It's now a democratic secular country, with as many Arabs as Jews. THAT is NOT what the "prophesy" was. The prophesy was that the KINGDOM would be re-established.

Atheists have nothing to "explain".
Theists need to explain why they fucking slept through Bible 101 when the professor was lecturing on prophesy.

Maybe 90% didn't even attend Bible 101? Consider

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26-08-2014, 02:07 PM
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(26-08-2014 05:17 AM)Michael1 Wrote:  For instance.. How did Joel know the future Israel will be divided? It is narrated that Jesus will come and fight against Israels enemies all over the Bible.. Who wrote this? A organized crime mob that now control the middle east? I can share with you a lot in regarding Bible prophecy but here is one.

Michael,
Please elaborate. Which future Israel are you talking about? From Joel's point of view (i.e, NT times) or from ours?
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26-08-2014, 02:15 PM
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And if Jew would actually read that story it only says some Jews but not all Jews will get into heaven. It would still mean the majority of Jews will burn in hell with the rest of us. That story treats Jews like limo drivers to a 5 star night club, "Thanks for the ride but wait outside".

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