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03-01-2013, 09:39 AM
RE: Bible Prophecy
(03-01-2013 09:35 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 09:31 AM)Vera Wrote:  Just about the only thing I remember from my grammar classes at uni (or was it syntax Consider ).




Ah, David Mitchell... how could he start dating that Coren bore No


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03-01-2013, 09:41 AM
RE: Bible Prophecy
(03-01-2013 09:35 AM)Chas Wrote:  I believe they are married. Consider
Look at Chas, being all caught up on the most recent gossip (just went to check - they got married in November 2012).

Oh well, I guess we all make our beds... as well as choose whom to take (or drag) with us to them...

But if she's considered hot in Britain, then it's a place I definitely should visit Angel

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03-01-2013, 09:41 AM
RE: Bible Prophecy
(03-01-2013 09:39 AM)cheapthrillseaker Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 09:35 AM)Chas Wrote:  I believe they are married. Consider
Dude, quit making it WORSE! Big Grin


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03-01-2013, 09:45 AM
RE: Bible Prophecy
(03-01-2013 03:52 AM)TheLastEnemy Wrote:  Okay so i recently became an Agnostic from Christianity after a lenghty period of consideration, but now, I'm not so sure that was a good idea. I Have been researching Christian apologetics a lot lately, and they seem to have quite the case, mostly revolving around Prophecy, can anyone help to debunk or confirm these?.
1)Job 36 27 apparently predicts the water cycle.
2) The Bible apparently knew there were mountains and springs beneath the sea.
3) Pretty much the entire Book of Daniel, but especially:
a) Daniel Predicts the rise of 4 beasts, corresponding with the Babylonian, Medo-Persian, Greek, and Roman empires, I Can't remember the exact details, but if you look it up, it's pretty specific.
b) He Predicts the "plucking up of three kingdoms by the roots", this apparently corresponds with the Arab spring, in which Egypt, Libya, and (Probably soon to follow) Syria, were plucked up.
c) He Predicts the actions of Antiochus IV Epiphanes with shocking accuracy.
4) Ezekiel predicts that Russia (Gog and Magog),Iran (Persia), Ethiopia (Cush), and Libya, will attack Israel, now this alliance seems to be falling into place.
5)Isaiah predicts the regathering of the Jews in Israel (fulfilled in 1948), but whats more, is he says: "I Will bring thy seed from the east and gather thee from the west, I will say to the north, give them up, and to the south, do not hold them back". This is strange because the North (Russia), and the south (Ethiopia), actually did have to be persuaded to give up the Jews to return to Israel.
6) Jeremiah apparently predicts the exact order of the rebuilding of the Israeli Suburbs
7) Revelation says that a star named "Wormwood", will poison the water supply, interestingly, Chernobyl translates to Wormwood.
8) The Roman Empire has apparently revived (In the form of the EU).
9) Most terrifying of all, (to Me at least), is the infamous, "Mark of the Beast" prophecy in Revelation, which no one will be able to buy or sell without. Apparently, the new Rfid chip technology can be used for buying and selling, and get this, apparently, research was done which showed that the best places to implant the chip are the right hand and forehead.
Any and all answers are appreciated.
To the first one. By "water cycle", are you referring to the movement of water between the earth and clouds and back to earth? If so, that already existed long before the bible so how would that be a prediction?

To the second, the bible has the story of Noah's ark. The logical conclusion from that would be that mountains, springs, and everything else on earth was buried under water at one time. In order to remain consistent, it would make sense to "know" that and conclude that a lot would still be buried. However, that doesn't mean they really knew. They just happened to be right by coincidence.

To the rest, much of the bible is written with such ambiguities and generalities that you can make a lot of things seem to fit if you really want to. For example, Revelations predicts all manner of sin when we approach the end times. Hmm, today we have wide-spread pornography on the internet including child porn, school shootings, increasing atheism (sorry people, but you know believers would include that Tongue ), car jackings, rapes, murders, robberies, high divorce rate, identity theft, sex slaves, child abductions, Islamist extremist terrorism, a variety of sexual "perversions", etc. Wow, we must be in the end times, right? The only problem is there has never been a time without a variety of sins that could be classified as "all manner of sin". So we are always in the end times by that logic and always will be.

Things only "fit" if you really want them to and ignore a lot of other information that doesn't fit.

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03-01-2013, 09:50 AM
RE: Bible Prophecy
(03-01-2013 09:41 AM)Chas Wrote:  It's not my fault!
Yeah, sure Han ... or was it Lando? Or Luke? Or Chewie? Chewie. Definitely Chewie.

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03-01-2013, 09:53 AM
RE: Bible Prophecy
(03-01-2013 09:41 AM)Chas Wrote:  It's not my fault!
Dude, that was puke-worthy. The writing, the insipidity... and the clothes... jeez, what is it with women being incapable of choosing a wedding dress that actually looks good on them No

Anyway, sorry about the derailment... unless it fulfills another ancient prophecy and is a sign that the end is indeed nigh...

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03-01-2013, 09:55 AM
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These are "fill in the blank" prophecies. They're vague enough that as time passes you can find pretty much anything to fit the bill. Mountains and springs underwater is most likely correct by coincidence. Had the prophecies predicted something completely unfamiliar to them, like tube worms living near hot magma in the deepest trenches of the ocean, then I'd be a bit more amazed. Even then, however, that's hardly proof of a god's existence.

Here's a real prophecy:
In the year 2001 AD, two great towers in a nation not yet created will be destroyed by man-made flying machines.

I have yet to see anyone be that accurate on a consistent basis. Why? Because nobody can really see into the future. If they could, their prophecies wouldn't be so vague and all-encompassing.

Here's a typical prophecy:
A great power will rise amid chaos, and bring death to the faithful.

Let's see how many of us can find a fulfillment to my prophecy...

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03-01-2013, 10:03 AM
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Let's give your apologist a very liberal benefit of the doubt on the "prophecies" you listed. Now, read the bible and count up the things it predicted wrong. I think I once counted something like 15 gross errors in the first 25 verses of Genesis alone. Why would a god have such a horrible batting average?

I suggest reading this .

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03-01-2013, 01:44 PM
RE: Bible Prophecy
(03-01-2013 09:45 AM)Impulse Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 03:52 AM)TheLastEnemy Wrote:  Okay so i recently became an Agnostic from Christianity after a lenghty period of consideration, but now, I'm not so sure that was a good idea. I Have been researching Christian apologetics a lot lately, and they seem to have quite the case, mostly revolving around Prophecy, can anyone help to debunk or confirm these?.
1)Job 36 27 apparently predicts the water cycle.
2) The Bible apparently knew there were mountains and springs beneath the sea.
3) Pretty much the entire Book of Daniel, but especially:
a) Daniel Predicts the rise of 4 beasts, corresponding with the Babylonian, Medo-Persian, Greek, and Roman empires, I Can't remember the exact details, but if you look it up, it's pretty specific.
b) He Predicts the "plucking up of three kingdoms by the roots", this apparently corresponds with the Arab spring, in which Egypt, Libya, and (Probably soon to follow) Syria, were plucked up.
c) He Predicts the actions of Antiochus IV Epiphanes with shocking accuracy.
4) Ezekiel predicts that Russia (Gog and Magog),Iran (Persia), Ethiopia (Cush), and Libya, will attack Israel, now this alliance seems to be falling into place.
5)Isaiah predicts the regathering of the Jews in Israel (fulfilled in 1948), but whats more, is he says: "I Will bring thy seed from the east and gather thee from the west, I will say to the north, give them up, and to the south, do not hold them back". This is strange because the North (Russia), and the south (Ethiopia), actually did have to be persuaded to give up the Jews to return to Israel.
6) Jeremiah apparently predicts the exact order of the rebuilding of the Israeli Suburbs
7) Revelation says that a star named "Wormwood", will poison the water supply, interestingly, Chernobyl translates to Wormwood.
8) The Roman Empire has apparently revived (In the form of the EU).
9) Most terrifying of all, (to Me at least), is the infamous, "Mark of the Beast" prophecy in Revelation, which no one will be able to buy or sell without. Apparently, the new Rfid chip technology can be used for buying and selling, and get this, apparently, research was done which showed that the best places to implant the chip are the right hand and forehead.
Any and all answers are appreciated.
To the first one. By "water cycle", are you referring to the movement of water between the earth and clouds and back to earth? If so, that already existed long before the bible so how would that be a prediction?

To the second, the bible has the story of Noah's ark. The logical conclusion from that would be that mountains, springs, and everything else on earth was buried under water at one time. In order to remain consistent, it would make sense to "know" that and conclude that a lot would still be buried. However, that doesn't mean they really knew. They just happened to be right by coincidence.

To the rest, much of the bible is written with such ambiguities and generalities that you can make a lot of things seem to fit if you really want to. For example, Revelations predicts all manner of sin when we approach the end times. Hmm, today we have wide-spread pornography on the internet including child porn, school shootings, increasing atheism (sorry people, but you know believers would include that Tongue ), car jackings, rapes, murders, robberies, high divorce rate, identity theft, sex slaves, child abductions, Islamist extremist terrorism, a variety of sexual "perversions", etc. Wow, we must be in the end times, right? The only problem is there has never been a time without a variety of sins that could be classified as "all manner of sin". So we are always in the end times by that logic and always will be.

Things only "fit" if you really want them to and ignore a lot of other information that doesn't fit.
I Meant foreknowledge, not prediction. I Was falling asleep when i typed this.
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03-01-2013, 01:56 PM
RE: Bible Prophecy
Also, have you looked into all of the "predictions" and "foreknowledge" from the Koran and other religions? If no, why not?

They all claim to have fulfilled prophesies, and quite honestly, if that's your strongest evidence, the prophecies and predictions cited by Muslims are just as compelling as those cited by Christians. But they can't both be right.

They can, however, both be wrong.

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