Bible's view of the cosmos: flat earth, moving sun. People actually buy into this?
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06-11-2015, 10:00 AM
RE: Bible's view of the cosmos: flat earth, moving sun. People actually buy into this?
(06-11-2015 09:34 AM)Thinkerbelle Wrote:  Were I troubled, the last place I would seek advice would be from a minister, priest, rabbi, imam, or chaplain.
That's what I've been wondering. From the horror stories of the military and religion, there seems to be less reason. In the civilian world, we don't find a priest or minister or our evangelical friends. Why would an atheist seek out a chaplain? Correct if I'm wrong but I don't think the military actively suggests atheists visit the chaplain.
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06-11-2015, 10:02 AM (This post was last modified: 06-11-2015 10:08 AM by goodwithoutgod.)
RE: Bible's view of the cosmos: flat earth, moving sun. People actually buy into this?
(06-11-2015 09:51 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  
(06-11-2015 09:13 AM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  Your knowledge of what pops? Disprove what? Imagination and fantasy? We can't. Here let's give it a try. Norgg the great and powerful creator of all life resides in hollow Uranus, disprove that....can't? That is because it is true. See the fallacy of that assertion?

What knowledge? Here is some knowledge for you....no one who ever wrote of jesus knew him. Argumentum ad populum for god being mentioned in many forms and in many cultures throughout history does not give the story of god credence. Get that?

Bigfoot/Sasquatch/Yeti/Yowie/Almas/skunk Ape/Grassman/Wendigo/Orange Pendeck/Mapingauri/Yeren has been written about, and witnessed for many years WORLDWIDE. Shit, it must exist then huh?

2,000 years from now whatever form of human exists then will inevitably find all of these mentions of bigfoot worldwide, and will certainly exclaim "Bigfoot" existed! He must have, look at the copious amount of worldwide documentation of him. Consider

http://hubpages.com/education/Names-for-...-the-World

Dodgy
I like that. Still irrelevant though. My knowledge of what you ask. God and my direction under it. God and the possibility of unseen advancement, peace and prosperity of all existence under the direction there of. What are you saying about Jesus. Crist is a way of being. Jesus was the most pure in this and his teachings and sacrifice are a lesson to those with ears and eyes. Notably, quite a few.

One of my favorite analogies Big Grin

"God and my direction under it. God and the possibility of unseen advancement, peace and prosperity of all existence under the direction there of."

switch that out with another unseen, made up, philosophical musing...

The Great Pumpkin and my direction under it. The Great Pumpkin and the possibility of unseen advancement, peace and prosperity of all existence under the direction there of.

See how nonsensical that sounds?

"Jesus was the most pure in this and his teachings and sacrifice are a lesson to those with ears and eyes."

Now for a moment, remove your god goggles, and look at the facts.

"Jesus was the most pure in this and his teachings.."

well since we have zero proof that ANYONE who EVER wrote of jesus, actually knew him, saw him, or witnessed his teachings and magical acts...that would be a complete fallacious statement.

Let me give it a try..

Bigfoot was the most pure in this and his teachings and sacrifice are a lesson to those with ears and eyes

See how ridiculous that comes across?

"are a lesson to those with ears and eyes."

Consider Sure, unfortunately, no one who ever witnessed these teachings with their eyes and ears bothered to write it down. Thus it is HEARSAY..."oral" tradition....i.e......stories. I like stories, people enjoy telling stories....stories of bigfoot are intriguing as well...

"Notably, quite a few."

Zero actually...and that is the point you are missing.

"Belief is so often the death of reason" - Qyburn, Game of Thrones

"The Christian community continues to exist because the conclusions of the critical study of the Bible are largely withheld from them." -Hans Conzelmann (1915-1989)
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06-11-2015, 10:03 AM
RE: Bible's view of the cosmos: flat earth, moving sun. People actually buy into this?
(06-11-2015 09:51 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  I like that. Still irrelevant though. My knowledge of what you ask. God and my direction under it. God and the possibility of unseen advancement, peace and prosperity of all existence under the direction there of. What are you saying about Jesus. Crist is a way of being. Jesus was the most pure in this and his teachings and sacrifice are a lesson to those with ears and eyes. Notably, quite a few.

What a load of unsubstantiated bullshit. You have nothing to back up any of your claims. It is really, really sad to see a mind so bogged down in fantasy.

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06-11-2015, 10:17 AM
RE: Bible's view of the cosmos: flat earth, moving sun. People actually buy into this?
(06-11-2015 09:34 AM)Thinkerbelle Wrote:  Were I troubled, the last place I would seek advice would be from a minister, priest, rabbi, imam, or chaplain.
What if you were a Marine in an infantry platoon in the mountains of Afghanistan and just survived an ambush that resulted in the death of your high school best friend? I know it is difficult at times to understand the real life situations of combat. Unfortunately the only option a Marine has to get any professional help is by the chaplain. Even if an atheist Marine did not want my help because of my faith, I will still be required to help that individual by finding someone who he prefers and I would be more than happy to do so if that is what he chooses. It goes back to the protection of religious freedom.
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06-11-2015, 10:19 AM
RE: Bible's view of the cosmos: flat earth, moving sun. People actually buy into this?
(06-11-2015 10:03 AM)unfogged Wrote:  
(06-11-2015 09:51 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  I like that. Still irrelevant though. My knowledge of what you ask. God and my direction under it. God and the possibility of unseen advancement, peace and prosperity of all existence under the direction there of. What are you saying about Jesus. Crist is a way of being. Jesus was the most pure in this and his teachings and sacrifice are a lesson to those with ears and eyes. Notably, quite a few.

What a load of unsubstantiated bullshit. You have nothing to back up any of your claims. It is really, really sad to see a mind so bogged down in fantasy.
Woe. I said quite a few which sounds like a lot. I meant quite few, as in not many. This includes you as one that cannot see or hear. Answer me this; do you understand that when the bible speaks of how Jesus saved, and made the blind see, the deaf hear, and brought the dead to life that it wasn't generally literal. One can be dead in sin, through understanding one can be reborn or brought to real life instead of living dead in sin. One can be blind to the reality of existence and not even know it. Words and meaning can fall upon deaf ears and do more often than not. Salvation, and the teachings of Christ show the wounded in sin and ignorance how to really live.

Let me guess; speculation without evidence, right? Exactly what I would expect from the likes of you.

Lee it friend, you'll find your truth eventually. I have you Faith in you, me and God.

Don't let that piss you off. Anger impedes learning.
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06-11-2015, 10:21 AM
RE: Bible's view of the cosmos: flat earth, moving sun. People actually buy into this?
(06-11-2015 09:47 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(06-11-2015 08:49 AM)jason_delisle Wrote:  Are you suggesting that I am unable to provide comfort and support without bringing up the bible? You are right that anyone can say "I am here for you." However a chaplain has certain privileges that nobody else in the military has. That is absolute discretion. A chaplain is absolutely forbidden to disclose any information to anyone about what is said in confidence. Therapist and counselors don't even have that protection. Even if a Marine came to a chaplain and said that he was going to kill his commanding officer and laid out in detail his plans. All a chaplain can do it tell the CO that it is very unwise for him to come in to work that day.
A counselor or therapist will be forced under law to report such an individual. Many atheist turn to chaplains because of that protection.


Many more so avoid chaplains entirely because the last thing they want to hear is how they need Jesus in their lives, and how everything would be better for them if they but believed and had faith in the Lord. I mean, this is the US military, which does have a strong pro-religion bent that varies from place to place and service to service. But when we hear of the Air Force firing a Hindu woman because the Evangelicals that ran her unit were afraid that her meditation was summoning demons, ordered her to pray against gay marriage as a condition of her employment, called her a Hindu witch, then fired her hours after she lodged a formal complaint with her superiors? This is the context that many non-believers can find themselves, in a military sworn to uphold and defend the very Constitutionally protected secularism that it so very easily tramples under foot.


In fact the very same special deference, confidentiality, privileges, and protections granted to Chaplains that are not extended to other purely secular options (seeing a therapist goes on your record, seeing a Chaplin does not) is but another example of this prejudice and institutionalized bias.


So that being said, I sincerely hope that you have more to offer an atheist, agnostic, or non-believer other than merely bringing those same "privileges". Can you offer comfort and guidance to someone who doesn't rely on magical thinking? I hope so, but I have my doubts; especially given the dodge of a non-answer your reply was.
Do you think you have the capacity to comfort a Christian? I believe you do so I don't understand why my ability is in question?
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06-11-2015, 10:22 AM
RE: Bible's view of the cosmos: flat earth, moving sun. People actually buy into this?
(06-11-2015 09:58 AM)unfogged Wrote:  
(06-11-2015 08:27 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Never been on meds...

That may be the problem. You should consult with somebody qualified to determine if you should be.
Lol. Perhaps I should be on meds too.
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06-11-2015, 10:26 AM
RE: Bible's view of the cosmos: flat earth, moving sun. People actually buy into this?
(06-11-2015 10:19 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Let me guess; speculation without evidence, right? Exactly what I would expect from the likes of you.

Well, that is all we get from you. You are so deeply mired in your woo that you have no idea how ridiculous you sound.

Quote:Lee it friend, you'll find your truth eventually. I have you Faith in you, me and God.

Don't let that piss you off. Anger impedes learning.

You do not anger me. At best I find you amusing in a tedious sort of way. Your fantasies are no threat to me or to what I believe because as far as I can tell they are the nonsensical ravings of a severely deluded individual. You can have all the faith you want in whatever you like. I will stick with reality.

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06-11-2015, 10:30 AM
RE: Bible's view of the cosmos: flat earth, moving sun. People actually buy into this?
(06-11-2015 10:22 AM)jason_delisle Wrote:  
(06-11-2015 09:58 AM)unfogged Wrote:  That may be the problem. You should consult with somebody qualified to determine if you should be.
Lol. Perhaps I should be on meds too.

Maybe, but you appear to have the capacity to understand the difference between what you believe on faith and what is demonstrably true and can separate the two, at least to a fair extent. Pops can't do that. I'd guess that with time and reflection your views may alter; he appears to need much more direct help. He is a poster child for the dangers of giving in to faith.

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06-11-2015, 10:31 AM
RE: Bible's view of the cosmos: flat earth, moving sun. People actually buy into this?
(06-11-2015 10:00 AM)Clockwork Wrote:  
(06-11-2015 09:34 AM)Thinkerbelle Wrote:  Were I troubled, the last place I would seek advice would be from a minister, priest, rabbi, imam, or chaplain.
That's what I've been wondering. From the horror stories of the military and religion, there seems to be less reason. In the civilian world, we don't find a priest or minister or our evangelical friends. Why would an atheist seek out a chaplain? Correct if I'm wrong but I don't think the military actively suggests atheists visit the chaplain.
Why would an atheist seek out a chaplain? There are plenty of reasons. Being a Captain in the Marine Corps and an officer in charge of over 100 Marines I have seen multiple occasions first hand where an atheist sought help from a chaplain at his own request. Tomorrow I am going to meet with one of my Marines who happens to be an atheist who is currently in ICU. We asked him if a chaplain would be of any help and he eagerly accepted.
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