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14-09-2014, 07:42 AM
Bible scholars say "Ramesses II" was pharaoh during exodus
But there's just one problem. How in the world could Moses live long enough to meet him if thats the truth. And even with the Jewish timeline, he still have about 8 years to wander in the wilderness for 40 years, thats not enough fit the story into it Smile
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14-09-2014, 07:49 AM
RE: Bible scholars say "Ramesses II" was pharaoh during exodus
The exodus has been thoroughly debunked - it never happened...


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14-09-2014, 07:59 AM (This post was last modified: 14-09-2014 08:44 AM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Bible scholars say "Ramesses II" was pharaoh during exodus
Moses was a mythical character from the myth system of the Northern Kingdom. He and Joshua never existed, (or if they did were re-worked from ancient tribal memories). The Exodus never happened. There were already settlements of Hebrews in Canaan when it was supposed to have happened.





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14-09-2014, 08:41 AM
RE: Bible scholars say "Ramesses II" was pharaoh during exodus
Was watching Unearthing Ancient secrets on the Science channel, it seems that Christians shoehorn this particular king into the pharaoh of Exodus fame because he had a firstborn son that died, however this son was a military leader in his thirties when he died, they could see from the remains they recovered of Amun-her-khepeshef that he died of blunt-force trauma to the head and of course there is no mention of any of the events of Exodus in the written records of Egypt.
It is really odd that the Pharaoh's name was never mentioned in the tale of Exodus, this is a clue that the mythmakers were in full story mode when they spun their tale.

Of course, this won't stop Christians from saying that their myth is true.




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14-09-2014, 09:20 AM
RE: Bible scholars say "Ramesses II" was pharaoh during exodus
There was no "exodus". Jews were never slaves in Egypt.

And again, even if they had been it still would not make the bullshit fantastic claims of Moses magically "poof" had a tin foil antenna cosmic bat phone talking to an invisible sky hero. It would not make "poof" parting the red sea real.

And how fucked up is it for the morality of this alleged god to want Jews to be free, but sanctions the death of the Egyptian first born. This is not a sign of love of humanity, this is a story depicting a Mafia don.

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14-09-2014, 09:53 AM
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Monotheism was only created to unify both Judah and Israel, they were polytheists before that. The Torah was something Ezra created when they were captured by Babylons, Nebuchadnezzar II. They had to stand up for themselves and well... that guy managed to write these 5 scriptures which is now is in the old testament of the bible, also known as Torah. And since there was kind Persian ruler, cyrus the great. Who believed in zoroastrianism, he basically gave the jews the rights to rebuild the temple.

And so the nightmare of cults began....

Well. Atleast according to this history channel. I usually think its bias, but this early one seems legit atleast.
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14-09-2014, 10:18 AM (This post was last modified: 14-09-2014 10:21 AM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Bible scholars say "Ramesses II" was pharaoh during exodus
(14-09-2014 09:53 AM)ZeroX3 Wrote:  Monotheism was only created to unify both Judah and Israel, they were polytheists before that. The Torah was something Ezra created when they were captured by Babylons, Nebuchadnezzar II. They had to stand up for themselves and well... that guy managed to write these 5 scriptures which is now is in the old testament of the bible, also known as Torah. And since there was kind Persian ruler, cyrus the great. Who believed in zoroastrianism, he basically gave the jews the rights to rebuild the temple.

And so the nightmare of cults began....

Well. Atleast according to this history channel. I usually think its bias, but this early one seems legit atleast.
http://youtu.be/IF9gfPXUwD4

It had nothing to do with "kindness". The Persian Emperor (Artaxerxes) allowed the elite Israelites (not all Israelites were taken off to exile), to return to their prior lands as he wanted a buffer-state between his Empire, and the invading Greeks, who had set their sights on the Levant, and Egypt. He NEEDED a cohesive society in place, and intact for that buffer-state to work for that purpose. HE was responsible for the re-establishment of Isra-El, and HE engineered the first 4 books of the Torah, (as you say with Ezra's "team") so as to have a "national history" assembled from the many circulating mythical threads, (now called the Documentary Hypothesis) for the purpose of cultural unity and cohesion. Before the Exile it was unnecessary, (and there was no Bible) as the intact FAMILY groups worked to provide that function. The family groups/lines/cultures were disrupted in the invasion and Exile. The Torah was an attempt to create political and cultural unity. Deuteronomy came later. Monothesim was never important. The Hebrews were mono-laterist polytheists. Yahweh had a wife. Later, (post-Exile) the prophets ("advisers" NOT fortune-tellers) insisted on monotheism for the purpose of POLITICAL unity. The OT is nothing except POLITICS and priestly infighting.
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14-09-2014, 11:59 AM
RE: Bible scholars say "Ramesses II" was pharaoh during exodus
Those "biblical" scholars are more "biblical" than "scholarly."

The problem arises from the line about Pi-Ramesses being the city they supposedly built. Except the earliest use of the name Ramesses ( born to Ra ) was the grandfather of Ramesses II who founded the 19th Dynasty but only ruled for two years before dying and leaving the throne to Seti I. Ramesses II became pharaoh c 1279 BC.

Now, consulting the Big Book of Bullshit we find:

Quote:1In the four hundred and eightieth year after the Israelites came out of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon’s reign over Israel, in the month of Ziv, the second month, he began to build the temple of the Lord. 1 Kings 6

So, even if you attribute the "exodus" to the first year of Ramesses II's reign we would find the temple not begun until 799 BC and this is several centuries after the traditional 10th century dates for both "David" and "Solomon" both of whom are probably figments of someone's vivid imagination.

Of course, if you set the building of the temple in the late 10th century then 480 years earlier takes you back to the reign of Thutmoses III who just so happened to be the pharaoh who conquered the greatest extent of territory in Egyptian history and who passed the empire on, intact. No calamity. No bringing Egypt to its knees. This was pretty much the Golden Age of Egyptian history and Ramesses II's reign was not far behind in terms of material prosperity.

Further, if you go back to Thutmoses III there would be no reason to name a city of Ramesses as the name was unknown.

So we see that this bible bullshit is a house of cards. Disturb one on the bottom and you bring the whole thing down in a pile of shit.

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