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16-05-2015, 02:46 PM
RE: Biblical hermeneutics
(16-05-2015 01:47 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(16-05-2015 01:39 PM)jennybee Wrote:  Well, here's what they say on the gotquestions site:

http://www.gotquestions.org/Biblical-hermeneutics.html

From that site:
"Biblical hermeneutics is the science of properly interpreting the various types of literature found in the Bible."

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Wish I could double like this for using a David Tennant gif.

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16-05-2015, 04:12 PM
RE: Biblical hermeneutics
My definition is

"the art of making the bible say what you would like it to say"
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16-05-2015, 04:21 PM
Biblical hermeneutics
It and apologetics are like autotune for the theist mind. Sure, you can change it to match something, but it stills sound like shit.
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16-05-2015, 04:21 PM
RE: Biblical hermeneutics
(16-05-2015 04:12 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  My definition is

"the art of making the bible say what you would like it to say"
So why in a biblical sense is this considered a science? Would like to know if Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, Seth etc. have written anything about this lunacy.
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16-05-2015, 05:58 PM
RE: Biblical hermeneutics
This is a methodological way of deluding people. Let's take the word firmament, for example:

Firmament-raqiya

Quote:The word raqiya comes from the root word raqa which can be found in several passages including Isaiah 40:19 - "The idol! a workman casts it, and a goldsmith overlays it with gold, and casts for it silver chains." The word "overlay" is the verb root raqa. Raqa is the process of hammering out a piece of gold or other metal into thin plates which was then applied to a carved or molten image. Numbers 16:39 reads "So Eleazar the priest took the bronze censers, which those who were burned had offered; and they were hammered out as a covering for the altar." Here, the phrase "were hammered out" is again the verb root raqa. The gold was hammered into thin sheets then laid over the surface of the alter. The word raqiya is the noun form of the verb raqa and is literally a "hammered out sheet". There are some scientists who have speculated that before the flood there was a thick sheet of water surrounding the earth up in the atmosphere. It is then possible that the "floodgates of heaven were opened," at the beginning of the flood, is the collapse of this "hammered out sheet" of water. It is estimated that the sheet of water would have filtered out harmful sun rays and contributed to the longevity of life on earth before the flood.

Now I can read Genesis and interpret the firmament to be a curved surface stretched out by YHWH to separate the waters of heaven from Earth, this means a huge dome that held back waters from heaven and separated heaven from Earth like this:

[Image: OTcosmos.jpg]

Guess what? Modern Christians never interpret it this way, they see the word "firmament" as a reference to the cosmos and it's saying how spacetime is expanding or "stretching out" from the big bang.

See how that works? It allows people to pretend that their religious book made an accurate prediction of the modern cosmological concept of the big bang, not that primitive and childish pic I just posted. Whatsa matter with you? No one believes that! Rolleyes

Rinse, repeat, the bible can say anything you want by changing and picking the right interpretation .

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16-05-2015, 06:08 PM
RE: Biblical hermeneutics
(16-05-2015 05:58 PM)TheInquisition Wrote:  This is a methodological way of deluding people. Let's take the word firmament, for example:

Firmament-raqiya

Quote:The word raqiya comes from the root word raqa which can be found in several passages including Isaiah 40:19 - "The idol! a workman casts it, and a goldsmith overlays it with gold, and casts for it silver chains." The word "overlay" is the verb root raqa. Raqa is the process of hammering out a piece of gold or other metal into thin plates which was then applied to a carved or molten image. Numbers 16:39 reads "So Eleazar the priest took the bronze censers, which those who were burned had offered; and they were hammered out as a covering for the altar." Here, the phrase "were hammered out" is again the verb root raqa. The gold was hammered into thin sheets then laid over the surface of the alter. The word raqiya is the noun form of the verb raqa and is literally a "hammered out sheet". There are some scientists who have speculated that before the flood there was a thick sheet of water surrounding the earth up in the atmosphere. It is then possible that the "floodgates of heaven were opened," at the beginning of the flood, is the collapse of this "hammered out sheet" of water. It is estimated that the sheet of water would have filtered out harmful sun rays and contributed to the longevity of life on earth before the flood.

Now I can read Genesis and interpret the firmament to be a curved surface stretched out by YHWH to separate the waters of heaven from Earth, this means a huge dome that held back waters from heaven and separated heaven from Earth like this:

[Image: OTcosmos.jpg]

Guess what? Modern Christians never interpret it this way, they see the word "firmament" as a reference to the cosmos and it's saying how spacetime is expanding or "stretching out" from the big bang.

See how that works? It allows people to pretend that their religious book made an accurate prediction of the modern cosmological concept of the big bang, not that primitive and childish pic I just posted. Whatsa matter with you? No one believes that! Rolleyes

Rinse, repeat, the bible can say anything you want by changing and picking the right interpretation .
Very interesting. So, I'm gonna guess that more liberal interpretations are based on "hermeneutics", whereas the bible in its' literal sense is understood by conservative xtians.
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16-05-2015, 06:11 PM (This post was last modified: 16-05-2015 08:25 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Biblical hermeneutics
I can't tell you how many snooty religionists get all hoity-toity about the fact that some snot-nosed atheist knows more about their Bible and it's history than they do. Hermeneutics is a "buffer" for the cognitive dissonance that inevitably appears when non-believers bring up the bullshit in the history of Israel, and the Bible. "Well, what do you know of hermaneutics" (snort) ? they say ... *as if* the Bible is their little province to to interpret the way they *must* to make their beliefs appear to be reasonable. It's a fake "specialty" they teach in Babble College and the seminary to make them feel like they are "experts" or "specialists" in something. It sounds all erudite and educated. It's a pile of crap.

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16-05-2015, 08:00 PM
RE: Biblical hermeneutics
(16-05-2015 06:11 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  I can't tell you how many snooty religionists get al hoity-toity about the fact that some snot-nosed atheist knows more about their Bible and it's history than they do. Hermeneutics is a "buffer" for the cognitive dissonance that inevitably appears when non-believers bring up the bullshit in the history of Israel, and the Bible. "Well, what do you know of hermaneutics" (snort) ? they say ... *as if* the Bible is their little province to to interpret the way they *must* to make their beliefs appear to be reasonable. It's a fake "specialty" they teach in Babble College and the seminary to make them feel like they are "experts" or "specialists" in something. It sounds all erudite and educated. It's a pile of crap.
Excellent, very well said.
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16-05-2015, 08:51 PM
RE: Biblical hermeneutics
(16-05-2015 06:08 PM)DeaconJones75 Wrote:  
(16-05-2015 05:58 PM)TheInquisition Wrote:  This is a methodological way of deluding people. Let's take the word firmament, for example:

Firmament-raqiya


Now I can read Genesis and interpret the firmament to be a curved surface stretched out by YHWH to separate the waters of heaven from Earth, this means a huge dome that held back waters from heaven and separated heaven from Earth like this:

[Image: OTcosmos.jpg]

Guess what? Modern Christians never interpret it this way, they see the word "firmament" as a reference to the cosmos and it's saying how spacetime is expanding or "stretching out" from the big bang.

See how that works? It allows people to pretend that their religious book made an accurate prediction of the modern cosmological concept of the big bang, not that primitive and childish pic I just posted. Whatsa matter with you? No one believes that! Rolleyes

Rinse, repeat, the bible can say anything you want by changing and picking the right interpretation .
Very interesting. So, I'm gonna guess that more liberal interpretations are based on "hermeneutics", whereas the bible in its' literal sense is understood by conservative xtians.

In addition to this, they then put forth the argument of context if the biblical passage cannot be spun in a good way.

Take Luke 14:26 (NIV) for example:
Quote: If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple.

While this statement may be appalling to you or I, a modern christian might say that this is meant (through metaphor) to illustrate the dedication one must have to jesus. Even if you and I are actually correct that jesus originally meant what we think it means, it is "out of context" if you take it the bad way to a modern christian as it actually is portraying jesus as a destroyer of the family unit. (FYI, in the following passages, it is pretty clear that he does mean the bad context.)

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16-05-2015, 10:18 PM
RE: Biblical hermeneutics
Puzzling that the "instruction manual" the "creator" intended us to use as THE path to get to it and, therefore, to salvation is so inscrutable. Why, it's as if it was made up by multiple (entirely human) authors at various times, added to and redacted by any number of people, and interpreted and reinterpreted who-knows how many times.

The wonder of it all.

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