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31-12-2015, 06:23 AM
RE: Big Vitamin
(30-12-2015 07:48 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(30-12-2015 07:36 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  I'd be careful with that shit. Why do you take it? What do you think it does?

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"Medical authorities do not recommend colloidal silver, because of its lack of proven effectiveness and the risk of side effects" -Wikipedia

Yes....If I sold horses I wouldn't recommend pickup trucks,...would cut into my sales. Smile
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31-12-2015, 07:00 AM
RE: Big Vitamin
(31-12-2015 06:23 AM)John Silver Wrote:  
(30-12-2015 07:48 PM)Chas Wrote:  "Medical authorities do not recommend colloidal silver, because of its lack of proven effectiveness and the risk of side effects" -Wikipedia

Yes....If I sold horses I wouldn't recommend pickup trucks,...would cut into my sales. Smile

I will check the teeth on that horse, please. Dodgy

Do you not understand what "lack of proven effectiveness" means? Consider

Anecdotes are not evidence.
When there is an actual verifiable study of the effectiveness and risks of <your favorite herb/supplement/woo>, then I will consider ingesting it.

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31-12-2015, 09:12 AM (This post was last modified: 31-12-2015 09:27 AM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Big Vitamin
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(30-12-2015 10:25 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  
(30-12-2015 09:20 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  Just let me talk to your dog from now on.




I want that dog.Heart Hug Heart

None of you want my dog. He's "found Jesus". Jesus went home for Christmas and brought treats back with him for his favs. My dog is one of them. Now he runs out every moring to get his treat from Jesus when his truck pulls in.

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein God has a plan for us. Please stop screwing it up with your prayers.
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31-12-2015, 02:12 PM
RE: Big Vitamin
(31-12-2015 07:00 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(31-12-2015 06:23 AM)John Silver Wrote:  Yes....If I sold horses I wouldn't recommend pickup trucks,...would cut into my sales. Smile

I will check the teeth on that horse, please. Dodgy

Do you not understand what "lack of proven effectiveness" means? Consider

Anecdotes are not evidence.
When there is an actual verifiable study of the effectiveness and risks of <your favorite herb/supplement/woo>, then I will consider ingesting it.

Well neither can I factually prove where wind comes from....but "har thar she blows.".......not trying to be a smart ass here but i'm not asking YOU or any other to take it....merely answering the question that was posed to me about the blue man and why I took that stuff...and did I know what it does.

As to your question about my possible lack of understanding to what provable evidence is.....I would turn this around and ask you sir,...do you base your life or any measure of your activities including health concerns off the so called evidence of Wikipedia?
Instead of Wiki...or $$$ backed Big Pharma...on this particular issue I believe I will go with historical conclusions over blind assumptions.
And also since I have made no outlandish claims as to CS being the magical bullet I will stand by the Evidence I did present as far as to what I have witnessed and come to understand....

Your next crass thumb nosing comment please?
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31-12-2015, 02:46 PM
RE: Big Vitamin
(31-12-2015 02:12 PM)John Silver Wrote:  
(31-12-2015 07:00 AM)Chas Wrote:  I will check the teeth on that horse, please. Dodgy

Do you not understand what "lack of proven effectiveness" means? Consider

Anecdotes are not evidence.
When there is an actual verifiable study of the effectiveness and risks of <your favorite herb/supplement/woo>, then I will consider ingesting it.

Well neither can I factually prove where wind comes from....but "har thar she blows.".......not trying to be a smart ass here but i'm not asking YOU or any other to take it....merely answering the question that was posed to me about the blue man and why I took that stuff...and did I know what it does.

As to your question about my possible lack of understanding to what provable evidence is.....I would turn this around and ask you sir,...do you base your life or any measure of your activities including health concerns off the so called evidence of Wikipedia?
Instead of Wiki...or $$$ backed Big Pharma...on this particular issue I believe I will go with historical conclusions over blind assumptions.
And also since I have made no outlandish claims as to CS being the magical bullet I will stand by the Evidence I did present as far as to what I have witnessed and come to understand....

Your next crass thumb nosing comment please?

I base my decisions on evidence, not anecdotes.

Do you actually believe every study is funded by 'Big Pharma'? Facepalm
You can live in fear and distrust of 'Big Pharma', but without them you would not likely be alive.

You go right ahead ingesting things with no evidence of efficacy, in quantities based on no science, with unknown interactions. I won't.

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Science is not a subject, but a method.
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31-12-2015, 03:52 PM
RE: Big Vitamin
(31-12-2015 06:19 AM)John Silver Wrote:  As Free Thinkers we must QUESTION EVERYTHING......not just religion

Fair enough. I question the benefits of ingesting colloidal silver.

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31-12-2015, 05:06 PM
Big Vitamin
This is sounding a lot like psik and the Twin Towers sort of conspiracy.
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31-12-2015, 08:52 PM
RE: Big Vitamin
(31-12-2015 02:12 PM)John Silver Wrote:  Well neither can I factually prove where wind comes from....but "har thar she blows."
Wind, or rather all meteorological phenomena for that matter, are fairly well understood scientifically and in so much as "where does wind come from" makes any kinda goddamn sense we can factually prove it. Your inability to do so doesn't absolve you of the responsibility.

(31-12-2015 02:12 PM)John Silver Wrote:  ...i'm not asking YOU or any other to take it....
Irrelevant. That you are not asking people to take it is not the originator of your burden of proof. The burden of proof comes from your claim that taking colloidal silver has a positive effect on your health. So you have a burden to prove not only that it DOES help with a persons health when ingested but that it even CAN.

(31-12-2015 02:12 PM)John Silver Wrote:  As to your question about my possible lack of understanding to what provable evidence is.....I would turn this around...
How about you fucking don't? How about instead you offer links to peer-reviewed scientific studies demonstrating the positive effects of colloidal silver ingestion. You have a burden of proof my friend and you need to meet it.


(31-12-2015 02:12 PM)John Silver Wrote:  ...do you base your life or any measure of your activities including health concerns off the so called evidence of Wikipedia?
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Wikipedia is a collection of human knowledge based on confirmed sources. A collection which has been proven time and time again to be as reliable if not more reliable than most.
"No medical evidence supports the effectiveness of colloidal silver for any of these claimed indications" is followed by 3 different references including the HHS, the FDA, the PHS, and the National Center for Complementary and Integrative Health.
Hand waving away legitimate criticism of your nonsense because "ugh, Wikipedia" is fucking idiotic and typical of woo peddlers. We don't "get our information" from Wikipedia we get it from the bloody science done in the bloody references and the bloody sources.
You are welcome to demonstrate how the findings of those sources are wrong, but the fact that they are listed on "ugh Wikipedia" is not one of them. You still have a burden of proof.

Let me put it another way:
"Cyanide poisoning occurs when a living organism is exposed to a compound that produces cyanide ions (CN−) when dissolved in water." -Wikipedia-
"Concentrated hydrochloric acid (fuming hydrochloric acid) forms acidic mists. Both the mist and the solution have a corrosive effect on human tissue, with the potential to damage respiratory organs, eyes, skin, and intestines irreversibly. "-Wikipedia-

Just because it's from Wikipedia are you going to go make a Cyanide and Hydrochloric smoothie?


(31-12-2015 02:12 PM)John Silver Wrote:  Instead of Wiki...or $$$ backed Big Pharma...on this particular issue I believe I will go with historical conclusions over blind assumptions.
1.) "Big Pharma" can buy all the studies it wants but if the results aren't repeatable and demonstrable then it won't pass peer-review and it will be fucking worthless.
2.) Now you have to show that Colloidal Silver does work, that it can work, and that Big Pharma is suppressing that information. You can't just throw out a bunch of fucking buzzwords, you have to show evidence, direct evidence.
3.) When someone asks your for evidence to back up your claims going "lol conspiracy" just makes you look like a dishonest, and delusional, wanker.
4.) That it has no health benefits when ingested is a part of historical conclusions you tit, history doesn't bloody stop once you no longer get the answers you want.
5.) Wikipedia is not "blind assumptions" you jackass, it's carefully sourced and referenced. Multiple studies have been done into the effects of ingested colloidal silver and not one has found any benefit that could pass peer-review. think that's wrong? Fucking prove it.


(31-12-2015 02:12 PM)John Silver Wrote:  And also since I have made no outlandish claims as to CS being the magical bullet
You have made claims that are not backed up by scientific analysis or investigation and offered no corroborating evidence. You claims are outlandish with or without the claim that it's a magic bullet. Your claims are utterly without merit and are outlandish on that fact alone.

(31-12-2015 02:12 PM)John Silver Wrote:  I will stand by the Evidence I did present as far as to what I have witnessed and come to understand....
You have provided no evidence of any sort. Evidence is demonstrable, testable, and falsifiable. You have provided a personal anecdote (worthless) and a demonstration that you don't understand that correlation is not causation. What you have not done is provide any evidence whatsoever.

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31-12-2015, 09:14 PM (This post was last modified: 01-01-2016 12:09 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Big Vitamin
LongJohnSilver allow me to introduce you to WhiskeyBottoms. WhiskeyBottoms allow me to ....... ah fuck it. carry on. as you were.

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01-01-2016, 11:45 AM
RE: Big Vitamin
All right...seems I have opened a shit storm about my health practices...it seems I am being called on the mat to "PRODUCE EVIDENCE" as to the why and how of certain items I consume.

I also notice as going thru this thread that the same standard has not been applied to other peoples practices.
Whiskeydebate claims the proof burden is at my feet....Bull Shit.
He also says what claims I submitted are mere anecdotal. Be that that it may..the events i've spoken of...(scientific or not) did indeed happen.
As to MY personal claims...Sorry but I do not need a Lab result to verify that which I do and can see results.

Now "Burden of Proof" would indeed be mine, IF,..and I say that again,..IF, I had started a Thread about the "wondrous healing properties of CS" Indeed, I would need to back up my claims with scientific proof that what I was selling or promoting as a cure was indeed "Truth" or mere "Snake Oil" however I did not make such a post.
What I have done is state a regiment that I do and why I believe it to be of benefit, to me anyway. Not asking or requiring anybody else to even agree with it.

WhiskeyBottoms, from reading various comments you have made in many posts here at TTA,you seem to believe you have an inherent authority to demand other people to tow the line as you believe in your mind it should be towed, Because YOU say so?....please get over yourself!

But to satisfy this irritating adolescent behavior of yours, and to promote good will and stifle flame wars....... I will toss you a bone or two:
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Nature-inspired novel drug design paradigm using nanosilver: efficacy on multi-drug-resistant clinical isolates of tuberculosis.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20936471

Mode of antiviral action of silver nanoparticles against HIV-1
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2818642/

Metal nanoparticles: The protective nanoshield against virus infection.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24754250

Interaction of silver nanoparticles with HIV-1
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1190212/

Silver Nanoparticles as Potential Antiviral Agents with PDF link
http://www.mdpi.com/1420-3049/16/10/8894

Silver nanoparticles inhibit vaccinia virus infection by preventing viral entry through a macropinocytosis-dependent mechanism.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23980510

The Effect of Size on Ag Nanosphere Toxicity in Macrophage Cell Models and Lung Epithelial Cell Lines Is Dependent on Particle Dissolution
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4013663/

Tannic Acid Modified Silver Nanoparticles Show Antiviral Activity in Herpes Simplex Virus Type 2 Infection
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4130517/

Silver nanoparticles are broad-spectrum bactericidal and virucidal compounds
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3199605/

Interaction of silver nanoparticles with Tacaribe virus
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2936366/

PVP-coated silver nanoparticles block the transmission of cell-free and cell-associated HIV-1 in human cervical culture
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2911397/

Nature-inspired Novel Drug Design Paradigm Using Nanosilver: Efficacy on Multi-Drug-Resistant Clinical Isolates of Tuberculosis
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007...010-9770-7

Inhibitory effects of silver nanoparticles against adenovirus type 3 in vitro
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/art...3413002747

Metal nanoparticles: The protective nanoshield against virus infection
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.31...ode=imby20

Silver Ions in the Treatment of Local Infections
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2365176/

Antibacterial Silver
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2364932/

Total Occlusive Ionic Silver-Containing Dressing vs Mupirocin Ointment Application vs Conventional Dressing in Elective Colorectal Surgery: Effect on Incisional Surgical Site Infection.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26206641

The use of BMP-2 coupled - Nanosilver-PLGA composite grafts to induce bone repair in grossly infected segmental defects.
http://europepmc.org/articles/PMC3202602

BTW..what is your addy..W. bottom or W.debate?.......at any rate please do get your blood pressure checked out....you seem to be overly "high strung" young man
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