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01-01-2016, 12:19 PM
RE: Big Vitamin
(01-01-2016 11:45 AM)John Silver Wrote:  All right...seems I have opened a shit storm about my health practices...it seems I am being called on the mat to "PRODUCE EVIDENCE" as to the why and how of certain items I consume.

I also notice as going thru this thread that the same standard has not been applied to other peoples practices.
Whiskeydebate claims the proof burden is at my feet....Bull Shit.
He also says what claims I submitted are mere anecdotal. Be that that it may..the events i've spoken of...(scientific or not) did indeed happen.
As to MY personal claims...Sorry but I do not need a Lab result to verify that which I do and can see results.

Now "Burden of Proof" would indeed be mine, IF,..and I say that again,..IF, I had started a Thread about the "wondrous healing properties of CS" Indeed, I would need to back up my claims with scientific proof that what I was selling or promoting as a cure was indeed "Truth" or mere "Snake Oil" however I did not make such a post.
What I have done is state a regiment that I do and why I believe it to be of benefit, to me anyway. Not asking or requiring anybody else to even agree with it.

WhiskeyBottoms, from reading various comments you have made in many posts here at TTA,you seem to believe you have an inherent authority to demand other people to tow the line as you believe in your mind it should be towed, Because YOU say so?....please get over yourself!

But to satisfy this irritating adolescent behavior of yours, and to promote good will and stifle flame wars....... I will toss you a bone or two:
..................................

Nature-inspired novel drug design paradigm using nanosilver: efficacy on multi-drug-resistant clinical isolates of tuberculosis.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20936471

Mode of antiviral action of silver nanoparticles against HIV-1
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2818642/

Metal nanoparticles: The protective nanoshield against virus infection.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24754250

Interaction of silver nanoparticles with HIV-1
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1190212/

Silver Nanoparticles as Potential Antiviral Agents with PDF link
http://www.mdpi.com/1420-3049/16/10/8894

Silver nanoparticles inhibit vaccinia virus infection by preventing viral entry through a macropinocytosis-dependent mechanism.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23980510

The Effect of Size on Ag Nanosphere Toxicity in Macrophage Cell Models and Lung Epithelial Cell Lines Is Dependent on Particle Dissolution
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4013663/

Tannic Acid Modified Silver Nanoparticles Show Antiviral Activity in Herpes Simplex Virus Type 2 Infection
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4130517/

Silver nanoparticles are broad-spectrum bactericidal and virucidal compounds
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3199605/

Interaction of silver nanoparticles with Tacaribe virus
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2936366/

PVP-coated silver nanoparticles block the transmission of cell-free and cell-associated HIV-1 in human cervical culture
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2911397/

Nature-inspired Novel Drug Design Paradigm Using Nanosilver: Efficacy on Multi-Drug-Resistant Clinical Isolates of Tuberculosis
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007...010-9770-7

Inhibitory effects of silver nanoparticles against adenovirus type 3 in vitro
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/art...3413002747

Metal nanoparticles: The protective nanoshield against virus infection
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.31...ode=imby20

Silver Ions in the Treatment of Local Infections
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2365176/

Antibacterial Silver
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2364932/

Total Occlusive Ionic Silver-Containing Dressing vs Mupirocin Ointment Application vs Conventional Dressing in Elective Colorectal Surgery: Effect on Incisional Surgical Site Infection.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26206641

The use of BMP-2 coupled - Nanosilver-PLGA composite grafts to induce bone repair in grossly infected segmental defects.
http://europepmc.org/articles/PMC3202602

BTW..what is your addy..W. bottom or W.debate?.......at any rate please do get your blood pressure checked out....you seem to be overly "high strung" young man

Interesting, but nanosilver is not the same as colloidal silver. Consider

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01-01-2016, 12:30 PM
RE: Big Vitamin
(01-01-2016 12:19 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(01-01-2016 11:45 AM)John Silver Wrote:  All right...seems I have opened a shit storm about my health practices...it seems I am being called on the mat to "PRODUCE EVIDENCE" as to the why and how of certain items I consume.

I also notice as going thru this thread that the same standard has not been applied to other peoples practices.
Whiskeydebate claims the proof burden is at my feet....Bull Shit.
He also says what claims I submitted are mere anecdotal. Be that that it may..the events i've spoken of...(scientific or not) did indeed happen.
As to MY personal claims...Sorry but I do not need a Lab result to verify that which I do and can see results.

Now "Burden of Proof" would indeed be mine, IF,..and I say that again,..IF, I had started a Thread about the "wondrous healing properties of CS" Indeed, I would need to back up my claims with scientific proof that what I was selling or promoting as a cure was indeed "Truth" or mere "Snake Oil" however I did not make such a post.
What I have done is state a regiment that I do and why I believe it to be of benefit, to me anyway. Not asking or requiring anybody else to even agree with it.

WhiskeyBottoms, from reading various comments you have made in many posts here at TTA,you seem to believe you have an inherent authority to demand other people to tow the line as you believe in your mind it should be towed, Because YOU say so?....please get over yourself!

But to satisfy this irritating adolescent behavior of yours, and to promote good will and stifle flame wars....... I will toss you a bone or two:
..................................

Nature-inspired novel drug design paradigm using nanosilver: efficacy on multi-drug-resistant clinical isolates of tuberculosis.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20936471

Mode of antiviral action of silver nanoparticles against HIV-1
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2818642/

Metal nanoparticles: The protective nanoshield against virus infection.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24754250

Interaction of silver nanoparticles with HIV-1
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1190212/

Silver Nanoparticles as Potential Antiviral Agents with PDF link
http://www.mdpi.com/1420-3049/16/10/8894

Silver nanoparticles inhibit vaccinia virus infection by preventing viral entry through a macropinocytosis-dependent mechanism.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23980510

The Effect of Size on Ag Nanosphere Toxicity in Macrophage Cell Models and Lung Epithelial Cell Lines Is Dependent on Particle Dissolution
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4013663/

Tannic Acid Modified Silver Nanoparticles Show Antiviral Activity in Herpes Simplex Virus Type 2 Infection
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4130517/

Silver nanoparticles are broad-spectrum bactericidal and virucidal compounds
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3199605/

Interaction of silver nanoparticles with Tacaribe virus
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2936366/

PVP-coated silver nanoparticles block the transmission of cell-free and cell-associated HIV-1 in human cervical culture
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2911397/

Nature-inspired Novel Drug Design Paradigm Using Nanosilver: Efficacy on Multi-Drug-Resistant Clinical Isolates of Tuberculosis
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007...010-9770-7

Inhibitory effects of silver nanoparticles against adenovirus type 3 in vitro
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/art...3413002747

Metal nanoparticles: The protective nanoshield against virus infection
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.31...ode=imby20

Silver Ions in the Treatment of Local Infections
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2365176/

Antibacterial Silver
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2364932/

Total Occlusive Ionic Silver-Containing Dressing vs Mupirocin Ointment Application vs Conventional Dressing in Elective Colorectal Surgery: Effect on Incisional Surgical Site Infection.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26206641

The use of BMP-2 coupled - Nanosilver-PLGA composite grafts to induce bone repair in grossly infected segmental defects.
http://europepmc.org/articles/PMC3202602

BTW..what is your addy..W. bottom or W.debate?.......at any rate please do get your blood pressure checked out....you seem to be overly "high strung" young man

Interesting, but nanosilver is not the same as colloidal silver. Consider

That was my read on the abstracts as well.

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01-01-2016, 12:35 PM (This post was last modified: 01-01-2016 12:42 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Big Vitamin
(01-01-2016 11:45 AM)John Silver Wrote:  Now "Burden of Proof" would indeed be mine, IF,..and I say that again,..IF, I had started a Thread about the "wondrous healing properties of CS" Indeed, I would need to back up my claims with scientific proof that what I was selling or promoting as a cure was indeed "Truth" or mere "Snake Oil" however I did not make such a post.

You brought it up in the context of a vitamin supplement thread. The burden of proof is on you even if you brought it up in a food thread entitled "Are my chocolate balls salty enough?"

(01-01-2016 11:45 AM)John Silver Wrote:  What I have done is state a regiment that I do and why I believe it to be of benefit, to me anyway. Not asking or requiring anybody else to even agree with it.

Posted my own regimen in a thread around here. I'll dig it up and see if I've changed anything. Here's one.

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01-01-2016, 12:45 PM
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Chas...the main difference is in the particle size....
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01-01-2016, 12:53 PM
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(01-01-2016 12:45 PM)John Silver Wrote:  Chas...the main difference is in the particle size....

That makes all the difference in terms of bioavailability and toxicity.

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01-01-2016, 01:04 PM
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Well ok guys geeesh.........I know good and well you have not had the time to read each of these studies and the associated PDF files. And even if you have then thats great..If You don't consider them as Evidence....hey fine! whatever.......
I was asked to provide evidence...I have .. I'm not going to argue the evidence with you either for or against it's validity I provided my burden of proof.....If that is not good enough for you rascals.. t hen fuck off...
Case closed!!
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01-01-2016, 01:05 PM
RE: Big Vitamin
(01-01-2016 12:53 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(01-01-2016 12:45 PM)John Silver Wrote:  Chas...the main difference is in the particle size....

That makes all the difference in terms of bioavailability and toxicity.


Yes..it can
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01-01-2016, 01:07 PM
RE: Big Vitamin
(01-01-2016 01:04 PM)John Silver Wrote:  Well ok guys geeesh.........I know good and well you have not had the time to read each of these studies and the associated PDF files. And even if you have then thats great..If You don't consider them as Evidence....hey fine! whatever.......
I was asked to provide evidence...I have .. I'm not going to argue the evidence with you either for or against it's validity I provided my burden of proof.....If that is not good enough for you rascals.. hen fuck off...
Case closed!!

I not only read but also comprehended all of the abstracts and not all of them support the use of silver. I only bother to read the entire paper if I'm actually interested in the topic. Oh, and grow some skin.

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01-01-2016, 01:11 PM
RE: Big Vitamin
(01-01-2016 01:07 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(01-01-2016 01:04 PM)John Silver Wrote:  Well ok guys geeesh.........I know good and well you have not had the time to read each of these studies and the associated PDF files. And even if you have then thats great..If You don't consider them as Evidence....hey fine! whatever.......
I was asked to provide evidence...I have .. I'm not going to argue the evidence with you either for or against it's validity I provided my burden of proof.....If that is not good enough for you rascals.. hen fuck off...
Case closed!!

I not only read but also comprehended all of the abstracts and not all of them support the use of silver. I only bother to read the entire paper if I'm actually interested in the topic. Oh, and grow some skin.

GirlyMan.....I'm done bro
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01-01-2016, 01:34 PM
RE: Big Vitamin
(01-01-2016 01:04 PM)John Silver Wrote:  Well ok guys geeesh.........I know good and well you have not had the time to read each of these studies and the associated PDF files. And even if you have then thats great..If You don't consider them as Evidence....hey fine! whatever.......
I was asked to provide evidence...I have .. I'm not going to argue the evidence with you either for or against it's validity I provided my burden of proof.....If that is not good enough for you rascals.. t hen fuck off...
Case closed!!

You did not provide evidence for oral intake of colloidal silver. So there's that. Drinking Beverage

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