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07-10-2015, 07:31 AM
RE: Big :facepalm: moment talking to a young earther
(07-10-2015 06:05 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  His apologetics are off. Most YECs seem to think the flood happened around 5,000 years ago (based on the genealogies listed in the NT and the ages of people listed before the flood). He's just doing some weird pattern matching to make this seem even more special.

I thought what he was saying felt a little off, but I was not about to start correcting his incorrect historical timeline with an incorrect historical timeline. A flood 4k years ago is just as silly as a flood 5k years ago...
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07-10-2015, 07:36 AM (This post was last modified: 07-10-2015 07:39 AM by mediocrates.)
RE: Big :facepalm: moment talking to a young earther
(06-10-2015 05:19 PM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  I live for debating young earth creationists. I have researched and written a few words related to the great flood and perhaps you could use some of that. It can be found here:

http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/...#pid674871

And, I was reading through this... lots of good stuff here. I wonder about the 10k year old trees you mention though. I thought the oldest known tree was something like 5k years: http://www.livescience.com/29152-oldest-...world.html

If anyone can verify, I'd like to know.

Quote:Though these are the oldest individual trees in the world, they are technically not the oldest living organisms. There are several clonal colonies — which are made up of genetically identical trees connected by a single root system — that are much older.

For example, the Pando, or "trembling giant," is a clonal colony of quaking aspen (Populus tremuloides) estimated to be an astounding 80,000 years old. It is located in Fishlake National Forest in south-central Utah.

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oops, I should have read the whole thing before I posted it.
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07-10-2015, 07:46 AM (This post was last modified: 07-10-2015 07:52 AM by goodwithoutgod.)
RE: Big :facepalm: moment talking to a young earther
(07-10-2015 07:36 AM)mediocrates Wrote:  
(06-10-2015 05:19 PM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  I live for debating young earth creationists. I have researched and written a few words related to the great flood and perhaps you could use some of that. It can be found here:

http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/...#pid674871

And, I was reading through this... lots of good stuff here. I wonder about the 10k year old trees you mention though. I thought the oldest known tree was something like 5k years: http://www.livescience.com/29152-oldest-...world.html

If anyone can verify, I'd like to know.

Quote:Though these are the oldest individual trees in the world, they are technically not the oldest living organisms. There are several clonal colonies — which are made up of genetically identical trees connected by a single root system — that are much older.

For example, the Pando, or "trembling giant," is a clonal colony of quaking aspen (Populus tremuloides) estimated to be an astounding 80,000 years old. It is located in Fishlake National Forest in south-central Utah.

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oops, I should have read the whole thing before I posted it.

Lots of good info there, you also mentioned his timeline for the mythical flood, I have that broken down here:

http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/...#pid740500

feel free to use any of it. The biblical age of 2348ish BCE makes it only 4500ish years ago, so any living plant that is older than that is yet another nail in the biblical global flood myth. my personal favorite is the existence of Greenland. In my opinion, that is the easiest irrefutable thing to point to which eviscerates the YEC biblical global flood myth.

If you have any questions, I dabble in the field of ripping apart religion so I may have an answer or be able to provide you a source. Smartass

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07-10-2015, 11:13 AM
RE: Big :facepalm: moment talking to a young earther
Shit, even Pat Robertson thinks young Earth creationism is bullshit. You know you're an idiot when even Pat Robertson calls you out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC8gjcTqfjQ
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07-10-2015, 06:32 PM
RE: Big :facepalm: moment talking to a young earther
(07-10-2015 11:13 AM)beeglez Wrote:  Shit, even Pat Robertson thinks young Earth creationism is bullshit. You know you're an idiot when even Pat Robertson calls you out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC8gjcTqfjQ

Bolding mine. That's like idiot squared. I find it difficult to believe that Pat Robertson remembers to breathe. I guess his medulla oblongata saves his life, moment by moment.
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