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24-02-2012, 03:03 PM (This post was last modified: 24-02-2012 03:08 PM by germanyt.)
RE: Bill Maher contributes to Obama publicity campaign
(24-02-2012 02:56 PM)Lilith Pride Wrote:  A lot of the not doing enough is not about the president but the whole system. Ron Paul isn't exactly going to make unilateral decisions he'll have friction with his suggestions just like Obama does. You tell me how many presidents have done a lot while they were heavily opposd by the other parts of government.

Much of what he wants to do can be done via executive order. But Ron Paul will have much more bipartisan support than Obama could ever hope to have had.
(24-02-2012 03:00 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  
(24-02-2012 02:51 PM)germanyt Wrote:  He wants to maximize freedoms while greatly scaling back the size of government. Everything else falls to the 10th amendment which gives the states the right to pass laws not covered by the Constitution as long as they are not in violation of it.

States' rights - right?

Explain to me how a small federal government and states at will to make 'legal' laws is a bad thing? Are you convinced that the government should, or is good at, making laws that best suit the needs of 300+ million people? All the while we are going broke in the process. Will proper state and local funding individual states are much better prepared and equiped to handle their own legislation. On top of that, it more closely reflects the interests and needs of local constituents.

BTW, that doesn't give states the right to pass things like 'no gays' laws or anything like it. Any state law that violates federal law (Constitution) will be handled by the local federal courts and, if necessary, the SCOTUS.

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24-02-2012, 03:58 PM (This post was last modified: 24-02-2012 04:02 PM by TrainWreck.)
RE: Bill Maher contributes to Obama publicity campaign
I am the formost leading activist for states rights - haven't you heard of me?
(24-02-2012 03:03 PM)germanyt Wrote:  Much of what he wants to do can be done via executive order. But Ron Paul will have much more bipartisan support than Obama could ever hope to have had
What cannot be done by an executive order - is excutive order defined in the constitution, or is it something they added?

Quote:Article. II.

Section. 1.

The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President.

The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.

The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be increased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.

Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Section. 2.

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.

Section. 3.

He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.

Section. 4.

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

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24-02-2012, 04:08 PM
RE: Bill Maher contributes to Obama publicity campaign
(24-02-2012 03:58 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  I am the formost leading activist for states rights - haven't you heard of me?
(24-02-2012 03:03 PM)germanyt Wrote:  Much of what he wants to do can be done via executive order. But Ron Paul will have much more bipartisan support than Obama could ever hope to have had
What cannot be done by an executive order - is excutive order defined in the constitution, or is it something they added?

Quote:Article. II.

Section. 1.

The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President.

The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.

The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be increased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.

Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Section. 2.

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.

Section. 3.

He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.

Section. 4.

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

Are you trying to play Ron Paul/Constitution games with me? I'd entertain you if you were green. But you're 20 something deep in the red so I'll assume you are not worth discussing anything with.

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24-02-2012, 04:28 PM (This post was last modified: 24-02-2012 04:30 PM by TrainWreck.)
RE: Bill Maher contributes to Obama publicity campaign
(24-02-2012 03:03 PM)germanyt Wrote:  BTW, that doesn't give states the right to pass things like 'no gays' laws or anything like it. Any state law that violates federal law (Constitution) will be handled by the local federal courts and, if necessary, the SCOTUS.
Good idea, but the problem is that there is a tremendous amount of disagreement about the terms used in the Constitution. You, yourself, believe that the Executive Orders is apart of the Constitution and that it is necessary for the proper guidance of the United States government systems - right?

But I say Executive Orders are subject to Congressional review and Supreme Court review, each and every time - why Obama just doesn't do the Executive Order magic for healthcare is beyond common sense.


(24-02-2012 04:08 PM)germanyt Wrote:  Are you trying to play Ron Paul/Constitution games with me? I'd entertain you if you were green. But you're 20 something deep in the red so I'll assume you are not worth discussing anything with.

Let me know when you run in to somebody 20 up in the green

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24-02-2012, 08:21 PM
RE: Bill Maher contributes to Obama publicity campaign
(24-02-2012 04:28 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  
(24-02-2012 03:03 PM)germanyt Wrote:  BTW, that doesn't give
[quote='germanyt' pid='84292' dateline='1330121317']Are you trying to play Ron Paul/Constitution games with me? I'd entertain you if you were green. But you're 20 something deep in the red so I'll assume you are not worth discussing anything with.

Let me know when you run in to somebody 20 up in the green

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25-02-2012, 02:33 AM
RE: Bill Maher contributes to Obama publicity campaign
(24-02-2012 02:57 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(24-02-2012 02:56 PM)Lilith Pride Wrote:  A lot of the not doing enough is not about the president but the whole system. Ron Paul isn't exactly going to make unilateral decisions he'll have friction with his suggestions just like Obama does. You tell me how many presidents have done a lot while they were heavily opposd by the other parts of government.

All the more reason to not have another 4 years of Obama.

Why just so we can let the little kid (republicans) holding his breath win? That is a hell of a slogan to run on, we care more about winning elections than the country, so we wont let the democrats accomplish anything if we can help it. Well at least it would be their 1st true slogan in decades.
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