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16-08-2015, 02:59 PM
RE: Black Lives Matter
(16-08-2015 02:55 PM)Dom Wrote:  When you draw a line between "us" and "them", you automatically discriminate.

Exactly.
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16-08-2015, 03:05 PM
RE: Black Lives Matter
It's an odd tinge but I really don't care for the contrasting jumps of all lives or whatever lives mattering.

It always seems odd to me it's not united more to minority lives matter or before acknowledging how in previous events and debates other minority groups of the same degree were also impacted.

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16-08-2015, 03:22 PM
RE: Black Lives Matter
Because it's not about "in previous".

It's about right now.

And every objection I have ever seen about what horrors are happening daily to African American (and other minority groups, yes, including for this purpose the very poorest whites) citizens has come down to "But what about MY feelings!?"

If you can walk down the street and wave at a police officer and not think there's a good chance he's going to come over and harass you (or worse) because you "look suspicious" (this is, quite literally, a conversation I had with my black neighbor YESTERDAY AFTERNOON, as it had just happened to him... again), then you don't get to worry about your "feelings" about whether this movement needs to happen.

We can suggest it might be better to happen by more-peaceful means (though I agree with Zinn that "peaceful means" rarely get much result) and we can talk about whether it's productive for African Americans to be as angry as they commonly are about the way things are... but we don't get to talk about White Peoples' Sensitive Feelings being hurt until black bodies aren't being hurt systematically.

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16-08-2015, 03:42 PM
RE: Black Lives Matter
A long post could be constructed to tell you why the The Black Lives Matter movement is a worthy one. So here is one someone else made.

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16-08-2015, 03:49 PM
RE: Black Lives Matter
Basically the point boils down to this. The line of division isn't drawn by those proclaiming "black lives matter" but by those who proclaim "all lives matter." Because it is precisely that last slogan that the BLM crowd is advocating for, but is not the reality in the world we live in today. Today, black lives are not equivalent in the eyes of the generic american. People don't react every time a black man/woman/kid is killed in the same way as when a white man/woman/kid is. The media doesn't respond the same way.

So the BLM movement is really about saying that Black Lives Matter TOO and that black lives should be given equal treatment in society and in the media.

When people say "all lives matter" all they are doing is dismissing the BLM crowd. A black man/woman/kid is killed in an egregious way (Sandra Bland, Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, Tamir Rice, etc) and the BLM crowd proclaims that "Black Lives Matter" and then the ALM crowd dismisses it by saying that "All lives matter" when what they really mean is that they don't care about the black lives being taken.

Meanwhile, Zachary Hammond is shot in the back by a cop over pot, and the ALM crowd is suspiciously silent while the BLM crowd have been vocal about this unnecessary tragedy too. The ALM crowd doesn't really care about all lives, they care about specific lives. Specifically, people they consider worthy of being mourned and everyone else should be ignored.

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16-08-2015, 04:15 PM
RE: Black Lives Matter
(16-08-2015 03:49 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Basically the point boils down to this. The line of division isn't drawn by those proclaiming "black lives matter" but by those who proclaim "all lives matter." Because it is precisely that last slogan that the BLM crowd is advocating for, but is not the reality in the world we live in today. Today, black lives are not equivalent in the eyes of the generic american. People don't react every time a black man/woman/kid is killed in the same way as when a white man/woman/kid is. The media doesn't respond the same way.

So the BLM movement is really about saying that Black Lives Matter TOO and that black lives should be given equal treatment in society and in the media.

When people say "all lives matter" all they are doing is dismissing the BLM crowd. A black man/woman/kid is killed in an egregious way (Sandra Bland, Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, Tamir Rice, etc) and the BLM crowd proclaims that "Black Lives Matter" and then the ALM crowd dismisses it by saying that "All lives matter" when what they really mean is that they don't care about the black lives being taken.

Meanwhile, Zachary Hammond is shot in the back by a cop over pot, and the ALM crowd is suspiciously silent while the BLM crowd have been vocal about this unnecessary tragedy too. The ALM crowd doesn't really care about all lives, they care about specific lives. Specifically, people they consider worthy of being mourned and everyone else should be ignored.

You seem real good at forgetting that some of your "victims" were shown in court to be aggressors.... They weren't "innocents" who got shot for just showing up --- they got shot because they attacked somebody....

But that's ok--- your reality is more "real" than what transpires in a courtroom - where there were juries who were shown admissible evidence - and made an informed decision......... You do better, just by pulling shit out your ass.

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16-08-2015, 04:16 PM
Black Lives Matter
(16-08-2015 04:15 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  
(16-08-2015 03:49 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Basically the point boils down to this. The line of division isn't drawn by those proclaiming "black lives matter" but by those who proclaim "all lives matter." Because it is precisely that last slogan that the BLM crowd is advocating for, but is not the reality in the world we live in today. Today, black lives are not equivalent in the eyes of the generic american. People don't react every time a black man/woman/kid is killed in the same way as when a white man/woman/kid is. The media doesn't respond the same way.

So the BLM movement is really about saying that Black Lives Matter TOO and that black lives should be given equal treatment in society and in the media.

When people say "all lives matter" all they are doing is dismissing the BLM crowd. A black man/woman/kid is killed in an egregious way (Sandra Bland, Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, Tamir Rice, etc) and the BLM crowd proclaims that "Black Lives Matter" and then the ALM crowd dismisses it by saying that "All lives matter" when what they really mean is that they don't care about the black lives being taken.

Meanwhile, Zachary Hammond is shot in the back by a cop over pot, and the ALM crowd is suspiciously silent while the BLM crowd have been vocal about this unnecessary tragedy too. The ALM crowd doesn't really care about all lives, they care about specific lives. Specifically, people they consider worthy of being mourned and everyone else should be ignored.

You seem real good at forgetting that some of your "victims" were shown in court to be aggressors.... They weren't "innocents" who got shot for just showing up --- they got shot because they attacked somebody....

But that's ok--- your reality is more "real" than what transpires in a courtroom - where there were juries who were shown admissible evidence - and made an informed decision......... You do better, just by pulling shit out your ass.

Go fuck yourself, you racist and bigoted troll

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16-08-2015, 04:16 PM
RE: Black Lives Matter
(16-08-2015 03:49 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Basically the point boils down to this. The line of division isn't drawn by those proclaiming "black lives matter" but by those who proclaim "all lives matter." Because it is precisely that last slogan that the BLM crowd is advocating for, but is not the reality in the world we live in today. Today, black lives are not equivalent in the eyes of the generic american. People don't react every time a black man/woman/kid is killed in the same way as when a white man/woman/kid is. The media doesn't respond the same way.

So the BLM movement is really about saying that Black Lives Matter TOO and that black lives should be given equal treatment in society and in the media.

When people say "all lives matter" all they are doing is dismissing the BLM crowd. A black man/woman/kid is killed in an egregious way (Sandra Bland, Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, Tamir Rice, etc) and the BLM crowd proclaims that "Black Lives Matter" and then the ALM crowd dismisses it by saying that "All lives matter" when what they really mean is that they don't care about the black lives being taken.

Meanwhile, Zachary Hammond is shot in the back by a cop over pot, and the ALM crowd is suspiciously silent while the BLM crowd have been vocal about this unnecessary tragedy too. The ALM crowd doesn't really care about all lives, they care about specific lives. Specifically, people they consider worthy of being mourned and everyone else should be ignored.

I guess I should've specified that I don't back any of these little groups. I'm just saying that it's exclusionary. It's not inviting in conversation, it has this hate tint to it.
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16-08-2015, 04:19 PM
RE: Black Lives Matter
(16-08-2015 04:16 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(16-08-2015 04:15 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  You seem real good at forgetting that some of your "victims" were shown in court to be aggressors.... They weren't "innocents" who got shot for just showing up --- they got shot because they attacked somebody....

But that's ok--- your reality is more "real" than what transpires in a courtroom - where there were juries who were shown admissible evidence - and made an informed decision......... You do better, just by pulling shit out your ass.

Go fuck yourself, you racist and bigoted troll

You never could face facts could you, dipshit??

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16-08-2015, 04:20 PM (This post was last modified: 16-08-2015 04:26 PM by TheBeardedDude.)
Black Lives Matter
(16-08-2015 04:16 PM)MrKrispy601 Wrote:  
(16-08-2015 03:49 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Basically the point boils down to this. The line of division isn't drawn by those proclaiming "black lives matter" but by those who proclaim "all lives matter." Because it is precisely that last slogan that the BLM crowd is advocating for, but is not the reality in the world we live in today. Today, black lives are not equivalent in the eyes of the generic american. People don't react every time a black man/woman/kid is killed in the same way as when a white man/woman/kid is. The media doesn't respond the same way.

So the BLM movement is really about saying that Black Lives Matter TOO and that black lives should be given equal treatment in society and in the media.

When people say "all lives matter" all they are doing is dismissing the BLM crowd. A black man/woman/kid is killed in an egregious way (Sandra Bland, Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, Tamir Rice, etc) and the BLM crowd proclaims that "Black Lives Matter" and then the ALM crowd dismisses it by saying that "All lives matter" when what they really mean is that they don't care about the black lives being taken.

Meanwhile, Zachary Hammond is shot in the back by a cop over pot, and the ALM crowd is suspiciously silent while the BLM crowd have been vocal about this unnecessary tragedy too. The ALM crowd doesn't really care about all lives, they care about specific lives. Specifically, people they consider worthy of being mourned and everyone else should be ignored.

I guess I should've specified that I don't back any of these little groups. I'm just saying that it's exclusionary. It's not inviting in conversation, it has this hate tint to it.

I disagree, it's a slogan meant to spark a conversation. Why are we only now hearing about incidents like those of Sandra Bland and Michael Brown and Tamir Rice? It's not as if they are anything new. It's about highlighting the fact the disproportionate weighting of one part of society has become so out of balance that the slogan "all lives matter" was readily taken up by every ignorant American who heard it, a readied excuse for continuing to ignore the problem.

Open-carry activists parade about everywhere they want with rifles strapped to their person. No one bats an eye at the white guy in a subway with an AR-15. But Tamir Rice has a fake gun and he's walking through a park and gets shot and killed before he could even utter a word or drop the gun.

Black lives matter is supposed to invoke conversation about unity, not division. It isn't about excluding but about including minority lives into the conversation they've been left out of for too long.

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