Blind Faith is a Sickness
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16-09-2013, 08:10 PM (This post was last modified: 17-09-2013 05:52 AM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Blind Faith is a Sickness
(26-08-2013 04:25 AM)excubitor Wrote:  There is no getting around it. We are Christian because we believe by faith.
What is faith? According to the book of Hebrews faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. by faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

This is the paradigm by which a Christian lives. It is the complete antithesis of the atheist who will not believe anything which he has not seen with his own eyes or has not had a peer reviewed scientific paper written about it.

So there can never be any meeting of the minds of atheist and Christian. All debate is futile because the very foundation by which a debate might be judged are completely different from the other side.

In a sense, all faith is blind. The scripture says "The just live by faith not by sight". If all things which are to be believed could be sensed then there would be no need of faith. Yet God in his wisdom loves the humble and trusting heart which is inclined to believe. He detests the hard heart which will not believe no matter what convincing is given it. As an example, The Israelites in the wilderness saw with their own eyes the wonderful miracles of God and yet their hearts were hardened. They would not trust in God or believe his promises.

Having said that, what is meant by the term blind faith is a kind of brainwashing that throws out all reason in order to be immersed in some compelling and fatuous notion. I admit that there are some that call themselves Christian which are in this sorry state. Usually these are pseudo-Christian cults or evangelicals. The orthodox Christian faith is nothing like this however and has always promoted the use of reason in all fields of human endeavor. Truth is truth whether it is derived from the physical senses or by divine revelation which comes by the scripture and the Church. The trouble is that the physical senses can be deceived. The physical senses are easily manipulated with false data, deceptive arguments, smoke and mirrors. This is why magic shows are so successful because of the extreme vulnerability of the human senses and perceptions to be distorted and twisted.

On the other hand, those who humble themselves and trust in the authority of the Church and its interpretation of the Holy Scriptures, they cannot be deceived because they have built their house on the Rock. Men who trust in the changeable shifting notions of human senses and sciences are building their lives upon the sand. Such men will not endure but will be swept away by all manner of vain and empty notions and precepts to the destruction of their souls.

For thousands of years, deluded believers, just like this one, who came here and polluted TTA with this garbage, for whatever reason, in the long line of delusional believers, asserting their faith with no reason, have stomped their little feet, and plugged their ears, and said "my religion is right because I know it's right, and that makes it's right, and I'm better than you are cuz I have religion, and you don't, so na-na, na-na, na, na" They were all wrong. Just like this one.

The ONLY reason he's a "Christian", is because Saul of Tarsus took the teachings of one of the many wanderging apocalyptic preachers, and changed it into the new cult, which should be called Paulianity. It's called Roman Catholicism instead because the Roman Emperor thought it would be useful to politically unify his empire. It's the ONLY reason we still know about Christianity. That's why he's a "Christian". It is non-Biblical, and a perversion of the Hebrew religion. "Salvation" is non-Biblical in every way. Jebus did not preach "salvation", or "original sin" Augustine made it up, as he was a guilt ridden sex-crazed psycho.

Everything excubitor said is attempted proof by assertion.
Worthless crap. Every bit if it worthless, illogical, and non-Biblical, attempted proof by assertion. Any high school sophomore knows proof by assertion is nonsense.
What is in the Book of Hebrews is 100 % irrelevant. If he's attempting to use the Babble to prove the Babble, it's obvious he doesn't even know how to go about making an argument.

The delusional Catholic, asserting crap with no evidence can chew on this for a while:
http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/...lic-Church

The Catholic Church is an assemblage of sick, demented human Pedophile Protectors. Nothing more. He so far, has done nothing, (I repeat NOTHING), but attempt "proof by assertion". Obviously he has no education, in Religion or Logic, (or apparently any academic subject). The RC changed/changes their "dogma" whenever it was/is convenient. All you have to do is actually read the proceedings of any of the councils. The "proofs" of Aquinas are worthless. Their "traditions" change with the wind. What we have here, ladies and gentlemen, is a sicko, who more than ANYTHING, NEEDS, (yes a psych disorder) NEEDS to find something that's "absolute", or his little world crumbles. It's infantile garbage, of an insecure uneducated troll. Why would anyone come to an atheist site and spout this drivel ? If it's an exercise for school, he can return to 6th Grade. He argument so far is called "circular", and any reasonable person would know that. Believers are not reasonable. Even what he says about a dialogue between atheism and religion is wrong. More false assertions. He needs affirmation about something. Telling yourself you are right, does not make you right.

BTW, Jebus never said anything about rocks. Or founding anything on a "rock". The Greek word used in that line ("ecclesia") was a GREEK community, and there was no such thing as "church" in his day, (if he even existed). The disciples would have said, "your what ?". It also makes not a bit, .... none at all, in he context of Jewish apocalypticism. The apocalyptic preachers were not running around "founding churches", as they all believed that with the Roman occupation, the "end times" were "nigh". Why would anyone start a church, if "THIS generation shall not pass away, until all these things have been accomplished". Until well into the 4th Century, (see Harvard sociologist "A House Divided", Vincent Martin)
Jews and Christians were not divided. ("St"). John Crysostom tells his flock to STOP going to the synagogue in his Christmas sermon, in 400 CE. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split_of_ea...nd_Judaism The spin the RC spouts, is false, and self-serving falsehoods. There was no primacy of authority among the patriarchal bishops, UNTIL Rome decided it wanted more power than the others. Human politics. That's all religion was, and ever is. Men wanting/needing power and control. Nothing more.

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17-09-2013, 04:29 AM
 
RE: Blind Faith is a Sickness
(16-09-2013 08:10 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  The delusional Catholic, asserting crap with no evidence can chew on this for a while:
http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/...lic-Church

To that I would only add this link, by Paul Tobin from "Rejection of Pascal's Wager":

The Myth of Petrine Papacy
http://www.rejectionofpascalswager.net/peterpope.html
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