Bob Dylan Awarded Nobel Prize in Literature
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23-10-2016, 02:49 PM
RE: Bob Dylan Awarded Nobel Prize in Literature
(13-10-2016 05:38 PM)SYZ Wrote:  
(13-10-2016 05:24 PM)Anjele Wrote:  Once I got past his voice and learned the cadence of his songs I really learned to enjoy his stuff. Unique and original.

Sorry Anjele... there's a few too many oxymorons in that sentence. Big Grin

Sorry Syz...once I got used to the cadence of his songs...much like getting used to hearing an unfamiliar accent, I enjoyed the content of his lyrics. Once I realized how much I liked the lyrics his vocal tone became much less important to me.

It's that way for me with a lot of singer/songwriters who craft wonderful songs that are recorded by others until they are encouraged to sing their own stuff. Kris Kristofferson comes to mind. There are many singer/songwriters I enjoy who aren't considered to be gifted singers but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy what their songs say.

See here they are the bruises some were self-inflicted and some showed up along the way. - JF

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27-10-2016, 08:20 AM
RE: Bob Dylan Awarded Nobel Prize in Literature
I have a small collection of genuine [Leadbelly, Big Bill Broonzy, Son House, Blind Willy Johnson, Mississippi John Hurt, Bessie Smith, Lonnie Johnson etc etc etc] blues performers' work and as many recordings of Cajun performers. This is stirring stuff and none of the often horrible experiences these performers sang about was self-regarding fiction concocted by phoneys pretending to have endured imprisonment, grinding poverty, savage racialist abuse or addiction to booze and smack.

And Bob Dylan? Some ear-destroying renditions of cowboy songs, a lot of middle-class pretence at having been some high plains drifter generations after the plains and the drifting faded into the stuff of clichés, on top of a very few apparently genuine songs of protest from the early days. Johnny Cash, were he still with us, was a thousand times more the genuine article. And if he'd won the Nobel Prize for Literature, he'd have done the decent thing and refused. Perhaps Dylan's silence on the matter is some sign that he, like us, is too embarrassed to think of anything to say.
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27-10-2016, 12:31 PM
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(27-10-2016 08:20 AM)Gert Heide Wrote:  I have a small collection of genuine [Leadbelly, Big Bill Broonzy, Son House, Blind Willy Johnson, Mississippi John Hurt, Bessie Smith, Lonnie Johnson etc etc etc] blues performers' work and as many recordings of Cajun performers. This is stirring stuff and none of the often horrible experiences these performers sang about was self-regarding fiction concocted by phoneys pretending to have endured imprisonment, grinding poverty, savage racialist abuse or addiction to booze and smack.

And Bob Dylan? Some ear-destroying renditions of cowboy songs, a lot of middle-class pretence at having been some high plains drifter generations after the plains and the drifting faded into the stuff of clichés, on top of a very few apparently genuine songs of protest from the early days. Johnny Cash, were he still with us, was a thousand times more the genuine article. And if he'd won the Nobel Prize for Literature, he'd have done the decent thing and refused. Perhaps Dylan's silence on the matter is some sign that he, like us, is too embarrassed to think of anything to say.

I'm not sure how much being "genuine" really matters, though. Yes, the many "public" Dylans are not the "real" Dylan, but that doesn't bother me. I think it's part of his appeal. He's a creative artist, and part of what he creates is his own persona. He has also written a whole bunch of great songs (not just a few), and I think he was a great singer, too, before he lost most of his voice (in the last 10-15 years). His best albums are among the best of all rock/pop albums.

Having said all that, I will repeat what I said earlier in the thread -- I don't think what he does is really literature, and I can think of numerous people (Philip Roth, for one) much more deserving of the Nobel prize. But I know this -- if I were given a choice to get rid of either (1) all my Dylan CDs, or (2) all my Johnny Cash CDs (and I have plenty of both), it would be a no-brainer -- "bye bye Johnny". Dylan's artistic achievement is far greater than Cash's.
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28-10-2016, 03:41 AM
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I'm not a fan either of Dylan or Johnny Cash. Much of Dylan's work is, IMHO, unbearably tedious to listen to and about as genuine as three-dollar bill. Chacun à son goût.

And you're right about Dylan. If what he's produced isn't literature, who in their right mind would nominate him for the Nobel Prize over thousands of poets, playwrights and novelists from across the globe?
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