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06-02-2015, 07:05 AM
RE: Body Language "experts"
Dogs have it on humans 1000 times when it comes to reading body language. Body language is their main frame of reference when dealing with us. For the most part, they evaluate body language, intonation and context to understand us, not actual words.

Body language exists and is a lot more complex than we know. Mix it with scent and sound (our human ears and noses are not good enough to distinguish a lot of this) and you realize that dogs and likely other animals see something that we can't envision .

If we want to learn something about it, we need to start learning how animals see things. At this time, we are fumbling.

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06-02-2015, 07:15 AM
RE: Body Language "experts"
(05-02-2015 11:54 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  
(05-02-2015 05:33 PM)Smercury44 Wrote:  I guess I don't know if experts beleive this or not, but I've always heard to people fidgeting with their hands or clothes are nervous. I can tell you that is not the case with me. I'm constantly fidgeting. When I'm nervous, I actually go still and seem calmer.

Anyone who knows anything about this would know they first have to establish what is known as a baseline. This is the act of paying attention to someone under normal non-stressful situations and then using those actions as the standard. Any veering from that during questioning et al would give them the ammunition they need to make an assessment. If a person has Parkinson's and shakes all of the time, you aren't going to think this person is lying or is perpetually nervous. You would know ahead of time that they have a condition that makes them shake, so those "tells" as they say in poker would be useless and you would need to find other behaviors.

It's pure science and will NEVER be hokum. Any word to the contrary is just pure ignorance.

Pure science? No.

There is human interpretation involved such that the results are never entirely objective.

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06-02-2015, 08:47 AM
RE: Body Language "experts"
(06-02-2015 07:15 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(05-02-2015 11:54 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  Anyone who knows anything about this would know they first have to establish what is known as a baseline. This is the act of paying attention to someone under normal non-stressful situations and then using those actions as the standard. Any veering from that during questioning et al would give them the ammunition they need to make an assessment. If a person has Parkinson's and shakes all of the time, you aren't going to think this person is lying or is perpetually nervous. You would know ahead of time that they have a condition that makes them shake, so those "tells" as they say in poker would be useless and you would need to find other behaviors.

It's pure science and will NEVER be hokum. Any word to the contrary is just pure ignorance.

Pure science? No.

There is human interpretation involved such that the results are never entirely objective.

Ok, semantics. I meant the practice and results are done scientifically and peer-reviewed. These aren't hunches and snake-oil salesmen.

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06-02-2015, 08:58 AM
RE: Body Language "experts"
It's like a polygraph.

It's only good if the interviewer is very good, and the interviewee has little or no knowledge of how the test works.

So - "it only works if the chicken is spherical, and in a vacuum"......

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06-02-2015, 04:56 PM
RE: Body Language "experts"
(05-02-2015 11:54 PM)WillHopp Wrote:  
(05-02-2015 05:33 PM)Smercury44 Wrote:  I guess I don't know if experts beleive this or not, but I've always heard to people fidgeting with their hands or clothes are nervous. I can tell you that is not the case with me. I'm constantly fidgeting. When I'm nervous, I actually go still and seem calmer.

Anyone who knows anything about this would know they first have to establish what is known as a baseline. This is the act of paying attention to someone under normal non-stressful situations and then using those actions as the standard. Any veering from that during questioning et al would give them the ammunition they need to make an assessment. If a person has Parkinson's and shakes all of the time, you aren't going to think this person is lying or is perpetually nervous. You would know ahead of time that they have a condition that makes them shake, so those "tells" as they say in poker would be useless and you would need to find other behaviors.

It's pure science and will NEVER be hokum. Any word to the contrary is just pure ignorance.

That makes sense. Thanks for the schoolin' WillHop! Thumbsup

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