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12-10-2013, 11:37 AM
RE: Both sides of the coin
(11-10-2013 10:24 PM)Cathym112 Wrote:  "1) what, to you, is the most compelling argument against the existence of god?"

Don't need it. Occam's Razor and all that. "If a sign is not necessary then it is meaningless. That is the meaning of Occam's razor." - Wittgenstein. Or Hitchens' razor if you prefer, "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." ... Not that these don't come with their own baggage, I just find them most compelling.

(11-10-2013 10:24 PM)Cathym112 Wrote:  "2) what, to you, is the most compelling argument FOR the existence of god?"

There MAY be an argument for "Is Believing In God Evolutionarily Advantageous?", but there's no evidence for that currently, "Did evolution give us God?"

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12-10-2013, 11:42 AM
RE: Both sides of the coin
(12-10-2013 11:20 AM)kim Wrote:  Consider So ... I am charged with providing ... compelling argument for and/or against the existence of ... something which may or may not ... have some sort of ... shape?

Well, ok. That clears it up. Dodgy

Not 'have' (have not) some sort of shape...

'Is like' (is not like) some sort of shape.

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12-10-2013, 11:46 AM
RE: Both sides of the coin
(11-10-2013 10:24 PM)Cathym112 Wrote:  We are constantly asking theists to consider both sides of the coin. So, as a fun experiment, let's not be hypocritical!

Answer the following:

1) what, to you, is the most compelling argument against the existence of god?"

2) what, to you, is the most compelling argument FOR the existence of god?"

1-The qualities attributed to it: omnibenevolence AND omniscience AND omnipotence AND omnipresence plus free will, Hell, Heaven and the whole body of the Bible.

2-What? Uh ok god of the gaps then: it's a possibility the Big Bang was started. Of course nothing in the theory confirms the necessity for it. Of course there's no such thing as a time before time existed. That makes it a quite weak argument.
Besides I'm not the kind of person that will mention fluffy bunnies or smiling brats.
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12-10-2013, 11:58 AM
RE: Both sides of the coin
(12-10-2013 11:42 AM)DLJ Wrote:  Not 'have' (have not) some sort of shape...

'Is like' (is not like) some sort of shape.

Rolleyes

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12-10-2013, 02:19 PM
RE: Both sides of the coin
In terms of faith, the answer to both questions is I am. There is no coin.

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12-10-2013, 03:10 PM
RE: Both sides of the coin
(12-10-2013 02:19 PM)houseofcantor Wrote:  ...There is no coin.

Only correct answer so far.

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12-10-2013, 03:21 PM
RE: Both sides of the coin
(12-10-2013 11:37 AM)GirlyMan Wrote:  Hitchens' razor if you prefer, "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

That! Thumbsup

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12-10-2013, 03:28 PM
RE: Both sides of the coin
(12-10-2013 03:10 PM)Raptor Jesus Wrote:  
(12-10-2013 02:19 PM)houseofcantor Wrote:  ...There is no coin.

Only correct answer so far.

There is a coin.

Correct answer #2. Kaching.

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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12-10-2013, 04:22 PM
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The coin can land on it's edge as well.

#1. The plethora of religions all across human history that contrast and alter eachother. Kinda shows you how easily these ideas sprung up.

#2. I'm still alive, not like by any phenomena but it's all I can think of, I'm still able to possibly be around when signs of religions show up, so that time that is ticking is all the evidence around... Which is non evidence.

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12-10-2013, 04:44 PM
RE: Both sides of the coin
(12-10-2013 02:19 PM)houseofcantor Wrote:  In terms of faith, the answer to both questions is I am. There is no coin.

There is no "I". Tongue

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