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19-07-2017, 10:10 AM
RE: Bowie knives, swords, spears, daggers and machetes, now legal in Texas
(19-07-2017 09:59 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  The ban covered scary looking guns.

It covered cosmetics.

It was a convoluted piece of shit that limited combinations of flash hiders, pistol grips, and bayonette lugs. ( apparently there was a rash of drive-by bayonettings I didn't hear about.

The other thing was a limit in manufacturing of magazines that held more than 10 rounds. Manufacturers had an " in effect" date they beat by manufacturing one part, which they designated as "the magazine" and cranked out millions. They then made the rest of the parts and put the things together and sold them - legally- at inflated prices after the ban went into effect.

The ban had a sunset clause, which ran out.

The end result ( proving the law of unintended consequence) of the ban was to create far more interest in seni auto clones of military rifles, and put more in civilian hands than ever before.

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You're thinking of the one that came 8 years later, which I think the semi auto version of the above mentioned MAC 10 was (temporarily, as you mentioned) covered in. When it expired the semi auto version once again became legal, while the full auto version still fell under the '86 ban.

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19-07-2017, 10:15 AM
RE: Bowie knives, swords, spears, daggers and machetes, now legal in Texas
DOH!!!

1986...

SHIT!!


Yup, Yak got it right..

I was thinking of the Clinton era ban....

Need a fucking scorecard to keep track...


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19-07-2017, 10:56 AM
RE: Bowie knives, swords, spears, daggers and machetes, now legal in Texas
(19-07-2017 09:55 AM)yakherder Wrote:  
(19-07-2017 09:35 AM)adey67 Wrote:  Wow, 45 ACP 32 rounds in less than two seconds that cannot be easily controllable. Can you tell me anything more about the ban in 1986, what did it cover exactly?

It was called the Firearm Owners Protection Act. The machine gun "freeze" was what it was primarily known for, theoretically limiting the number of fully automatic weapons to the ones already in circulation. It also included provisions to limit the government's ability to register firearms and also to protect people bringing guns from one state to another where they were legal, but passing through more restrictive states in the process. For example, if you're traveling from Vermont to Texas and have guns that are legal in both of those states but need to travel through states where they might not be legal, like New York, this act gave you a limited amount of protection from local regulations, provided you were indeed just passing through.

Thanks, anything that increase my understanding of firearms in the USA is useful, I've already altered my stance on firearms as a result of some very cogent posts by people here.
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19-07-2017, 11:01 AM
RE: Bowie knives, swords, spears, daggers and machetes, now legal in Texas
(19-07-2017 08:35 AM)yakherder Wrote:  If I could afford a legal MAC 10 and the ammo to feed it, I'd consider it a range toy Tongue

MAC 10's are some of the cheapest NFA machine guns available to people without a SOT. You can usually pick up a decent one these days for $7-8,000 retail plus the cost of the stamp. This guy has one listed on Arms List for $4,000. that includes the factory suppressor and 4 magazines. I assume you'd need two tax stamps for that one though.

SGAmmo has brass cased 230 grain FMJ Sellier Bellot 45 ACP for a little less than $0.26 a round shipped if you buy a thousand. MAC-10 wise that works out to about $4.14 a second for the ammo for about 31.25 seconds of ye haw. Wink

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19-07-2017, 01:47 PM
RE: Bowie knives, swords, spears, daggers and machetes, now legal in Texas
(19-07-2017 08:02 AM)adey67 Wrote:  
(18-07-2017 06:16 PM)JesseB Wrote:  256 million guns across 5 million people.... and how many mass shootings? in Rural vs Cities? No I like what you're doing cause you raise some good points. It's a complex issue. Clearly accidental death and domestic voilence is an issue with guns, but then it's also an issue with stupid people and abusive people even without guns.

My message has remained the same. I remain nutral on guns, lets fix the real problems first and then we can take an accurate look on what to do with guns. You're right US is HUGE, I mean with big countries you got US, Canada, Russia, and China. And it seems a lot of people outside those countries lack any understanding or appreciation of just how LARGE those countries are. I mean a better comparison to a country like NZ would maybe bee the islands of Hawaii? wait...1 state? How many states do we have again?

I mean how many countries are smaller in both land mass and economy size to say California? Or Texas?


I just don't see people missing these big points being able to come to a reasonable conclusion and I reject their position by default because they haven't taken a real look at the problem yet. That's why I pushed back so hard against Stivil, it's not that I disagree with him on much of what he said even, it's that he's not looking at the problem. He's kinda just spouting half baked propaganda from his uninformed perspective.

I've made it clear I personally do not like guns. I think that an unarmed society carries with it inherent risks, however I think an armed society vs an unarmed society shifts risk from criminals to government abuse. Again this is risk not actual action. So personally I'm hesitant to make a determination here. In the end no matter how peaceful we want to pretend we are, we are great apes. In the end when shit gets out of hand it's going to come down to riots and violence. As much as I don't like that, it is inevitable. At least at this stage in our collective development as a species. I can only hope that one day we can achieve the kinda world I dream of with Captain Picard gallivanting across the cosmos (oh wait they were armed too.....idk kidding that's a show)...

I should amend this with I hate real violence. I've seen way more of it than any person ever should in one lifetime. But I LOVE violence in video games and anime and fuck anyone who wants to take that away from me....

Don't make the mistake of assuming that ALL of us in small countries are unaware of how large the USA is, I live in Britain which is smaller than the state of Wyoming, the USA is absolutely fucking massive!!!! Its also one of the reasons I changed my anti gun stance I totally get you need firearms for hunting etc, the only real beef I have with the US are the types of weapons allowed which seems to be pretty much anything. I would also have more respect (I do have respect but I would have more) if people were to just admit that America has a love affair with its firearms its part of the culture and you are willing to accept the occasional mass shooting in order to preserve the right to bear arms. Its hard to understand this culture sometimes but I'm definitely making progress its also important to point out gun control is pretty pointless considering the number of arms in circulation both legal and illegal. I'm an outsider but I can see why you guys in the US need firearms even handguns, you do not however need a Mac 10 regardless of how well secured and statistically safe they are in legal hands, its a pray and spray weapon and those should only be in the hands of the military IMHO.

I thought I covered that bit when I said we are less domesticated. I agree. Frankly I have no problem saying that part of our gun stuff is definitely cultural, I mean, I'm not sure I want that to really change and I"ll be honest. So there's at least one person who is willing to be up front about that ya? Smile

I mean I agree with you, and it's nice that you appreciate how large the US is. I don't think it's just people in small countries that struggle to understand this. I have many family members who have never left Bakersfield California a single time in their lives. And as I was driving across the state of Texas I was like fuck man.... this place is huge. I've flown numerous times from east to west coast and traveled all over and even I sometimes get amazed at how big our country is.

Thank you for your comment though, I really liked it Smile

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19-07-2017, 03:19 PM
RE: Bowie knives, swords, spears, daggers and machetes, now legal in Texas
(19-07-2017 01:47 PM)JesseB Wrote:  I mean I agree with you, and it's nice that you appreciate how large the US is. I don't think it's just people in small countries that struggle to understand this.
I don't even know why Jesse brought up the topic of how big or small US is, no-one was even suggesting anything to do with the size of US, just another random incoherent tangent.
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19-07-2017, 04:53 PM
RE: Bowie knives, swords, spears, daggers and machetes, now legal in Texas
(19-07-2017 11:01 AM)Popeyes Pappy Wrote:  
(19-07-2017 08:35 AM)yakherder Wrote:  If I could afford a legal MAC 10 and the ammo to feed it, I'd consider it a range toy Tongue

MAC 10's are some of the cheapest NFA machine guns available to people without a SOT. You can usually pick up a decent one these days for $7-8,000 retail plus the cost of the stamp. This guy has one listed on Arms List for $4,000. that includes the factory suppressor and 4 magazines. I assume you'd need two tax stamps for that one though.

SGAmmo has brass cased 230 grain FMJ Sellier Bellot 45 ACP for a little less than $0.26 a round shipped if you buy a thousand. MAC-10 wise that works out to about $4.14 a second for the ammo for about 31.25 seconds of ye haw. Wink

? I don't know about Yak but when I was in my 20's I got a Wather P22 to shoot at the range and at my parents (not to shoot my dad with though..... geeze Tongue haha) It cost I think 250 dollars, I had a job I made okish money. What I really wanted was a .40 Smith n Wesson handgun. I rented one from the range and really had fun shooting it. I didn't want it for protection, just as a hobby, I was also doing martial arts back then, and running and excising and being far more outdoors than I am these days. I mean hell I was in my 20's

The .40 I wanted cost like 600 dollars? I thought that was WAY too expensive so I got a Wather P22.... and you think a 4,000 dollar gun is cheap? I mean I get it's all about perspective but I wish a 4,000 dollar purchase on a purely entertainment type item was cheap (I mean if you're buying a MAC 10 to use on people.... I'm not sure I want to be standing too close to you).

Geeze man if you can so easily blow that much, mind sending me 4 grand? I could use a new laptop Smile


(I'm being silly here but ya, cheap is a relative term and that's really my only point to this rambling story, but if you do buy me a new laptop I would be willing to give ya a blowjob Tongue hahaha)

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19-07-2017, 04:56 PM
RE: Bowie knives, swords, spears, daggers and machetes, now legal in Texas
(18-07-2017 06:10 PM)Stevil Wrote:  
(18-07-2017 05:44 PM)Dr H Wrote:  There really isn't much point in carrying an unloaded gun around.
There really isn't much point carrying a gun with you to the supermarket, to the playground, to the movies, to a funeral.
Unless a bunch of people around you are doing it, too.

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19-07-2017, 04:57 PM
RE: Bowie knives, swords, spears, daggers and machetes, now legal in Texas
(19-07-2017 04:56 PM)Dr H Wrote:  
(18-07-2017 06:10 PM)Stevil Wrote:  There really isn't much point carrying a gun with you to the supermarket, to the playground, to the movies, to a funeral.
Unless a bunch of people around you are doing it, too.

Or just one who intends to cause trouble.....

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19-07-2017, 05:03 PM
RE: Bowie knives, swords, spears, daggers and machetes, now legal in Texas
(18-07-2017 06:16 PM)JesseB Wrote:  256 million guns across 5 million people.... and how many mass shootings? in Rural vs Cities? No I like what you're doing cause you raise some good points. It's a complex issue. Clearly accidental death and domestic voilence is an issue with guns, but then it's also an issue with stupid people and abusive people even without guns.
I'm just reflecting on how a thread about Bowie knives, swords, spears, daggers, etc., somehow became a discussion about guns? Consider

We can't really guard against stupid people; they've always been with us, and probably always will be. But I think we could perhaps reduce their opportunities to have mishaps with lethal weapons. As far as I know, no state requires an IQ test before allowing someone to purchase a firearm.

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