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29-03-2017, 07:53 PM
RE: Brain Games-Lucid dreaming,OBEs & hallucinations
(29-03-2017 06:56 PM)Jack Hammer Wrote:  A few comments...

Some Guru's have said that during an OBE if they stayed out long enough, they've been able to (not sure I'm saying this right) metaphysically transport their body from one location to another. I'm not sure I can believe that. I've also read, maybe from Monroe, that if we stay out long enough we slowly become a bit visible.

Until there is testable evidence of this you are right to be sceptical of these claims.

(29-03-2017 06:56 PM)Jack Hammer Wrote:  I've also read, and this may well be true, that a man while in a third plane OBE was found unresponsive by someone. So they took him to the hospital where he later died. Knowing the man practiced astral projection, and because his body was moved, they believe he was unable to return back into his body and died.

If he was unresponsive and then died, then there is no way that anyone could know what "plane" of existence he was on or thought he might have been on.

Monroe used to believe that there was a very thin shiny cord (that I believe you might have eluded to a couple of times) that connects the living body to the soul while remote viewing or OBE that can be followed back or even pull you back to the body if you get scared or "in trouble". No reason to believe that either mind you, but what belief can be considered reasonable when there's no evidence.

In any case everything I have read, and experienced suggests it's "all in my head".
And trust me, I am not one of those sceptical atheists because it don't want OBEs and an afterlife to be true, I just want to be able to find a way to know it's true.

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31-03-2017, 04:10 AM
RE: Brain Games-Lucid dreaming,OBEs & hallucinations
I just woke up.

The other really good part of Lucid dreaming, other then unleashing your "godly" powers on your own little world...is sometimes just walking away from a frustrating dream and relaxing. I've probably quit my job dozens of times in my dream.

At my work every month end there is a scramble to push through as much car sales as possible. So my dream this morning was...

I was sitting in a classroom with other accounting clerks. Teaching the class was a corporate executive that was telling us that they have completely changed how the values of cars will be calculated. On the wall behind him was a whole new set of astrological signs. Car values would now be determined by the astrological sign under which they had been built, what colour the car was and the day of the week the car had been delivered to the dealership! Pretty much all the new astrological signs were food related, one was a sandwich, another was a picture of a fat Buddha sitting on a large plate of spaghetti and meatballs.

We were given a test paper and told that anyone that didn't pass the test would lose their jobs. I couldn't read any of the math equations other then the "astrological symbol" (it was the starbucks logo) and I knew I would get fired.

That's when I got Lucid, and I just stood up and walked out of the room, down the street to a sunny outdoor café and ordered a coffee.

A lot of my mornings start with my first cup of coffee of the day being a "dream coffee". The best tasting coffee that only I can get! Drinking Beverage Big Grin

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31-03-2017, 05:07 AM
RE: Brain Games-Lucid dreaming,OBEs & hallucinations
All my dreams are lucid or semi-lucid.

I had one OBE as I was attempting suicide years ago. I think it was just a side effect of my delirious state. I felt like I was floating above myself laughing at myself and mocking myself as I ODed.

I haven't had any other OBEs.
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31-03-2017, 05:35 AM
RE: Brain Games-Lucid dreaming,OBEs & hallucinations
(31-03-2017 04:10 AM)unsapien Wrote:  That's when I got Lucid, and I just stood up and walked out of the room, down the street to a sunny outdoor café and ordered a coffee.

Yeah, that's one of the great advantages of lucidity. You don't have to endure difficult or depressing dream scenarios. You can just walk away and do somthing more pleasant.

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31-03-2017, 05:39 AM
RE: Brain Games-Lucid dreaming,OBEs & hallucinations
(31-03-2017 05:07 AM)EvieTheTurtle Wrote:  All my dreams are lucid or semi-lucid.

Do you have a good example of a typical lucid dream?

What do you do with your frequent lucidity?
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31-03-2017, 05:58 AM (This post was last modified: 31-03-2017 06:01 AM by EvieTheTurtle.)
RE: Brain Games-Lucid dreaming,OBEs & hallucinations
(31-03-2017 05:39 AM)Jay Vogelsong Wrote:  
(31-03-2017 05:07 AM)EvieTheTurtle Wrote:  All my dreams are lucid or semi-lucid.

Do you have a good example of a typical lucid dream?

What do you do with your frequent lucidity?

In my lucid dreams I am completely fearless because I know none of it is real.

I tend to still have zero control over them but that kind of matches with my belief that I have zero control over myself when I'm awake too LOL.

I know I'm dreaming so I can be amongst a nightmare with horifically violent things happening to me and I can just watch in amusement like it's a horror movie because I know it isn't real.

My semi-lucid dreams tend to be nightmares or incredibly fantastic dreams that are initially non-lucid but I feel like something is odd and out of place... and usually as soon as something physical happens in my dream... like I'm attacked or I have sex... I somehow notice that I'm not feeling any physical pleasure or physical pain and then I realize I must be asleep.

I think I've told myself when I'm awake that if I'm feeling zero pain or pleasure then I'm probably asleep.

It also helps that I tend to not understand emotions but I am very familiar with physical sensations.

When I am sad I don't feel it in my gut or my chest or anywhere else. When I am happy I don't get butterflies in my tummy.

Emotions are purely psychological to me. To know if I am happy I have to ask myself how satisfied I am with my life or whether I am experiencing physical pleasure or whether I am excited about something. I get zero physical sensations that are caused by anything emotional.

But I am very familar with pain and pleasure and when they're absent in a dream I realize it isn't real.

I often know right from the start though.

It helps that there are many things that could happen in real life that would lead me to believe I am either dreaming or hallucinating. If a giant pink elephant showed up right now I'd conclude it was an hallunciation or I was asleep. If Jesus Christ showed up and said he has returned and he started performing miracles before my eyes... I would conclude it was an hallucination or I was asleep.

The fact I'd react that way when I'm awake is perhaps the reason I react that way when I'm asleep?

As a child I had lucid dreams much less frequently... but when I did I felt like I had "control" over them and could manipulate all my dreams. I think that's probably because as a (small) child I used to believe in free will so seen as I felt free when I was awake that lead me to feel powerful and like I could manipulative things when I realized I was dreaming and I became lucid in a dream.

I think the experience of controlling a dream is an illusion when oneself is asleep as much as it is when oneself is awake.

Realizing you're dreaming can happen just like realizing you're hallucinating can happen, though.

That's my theory anyways. And that's how I experience it.

I can't think of an example of a typical lucid dream as none of my dreams are typical... but I can give you an example of one of the many atypical lucid dreams I have (they're all very different).

It was only semi-lucid at first though.

I recently dreamt that I was in a car parking lot and my mom was escorting me there and it was dark and no one else was there.

I started to feel like something felt unreal and I couldn't put my finger on it... I think I perhaps found it weird that I was a child in the dream but my mom was the age she is now.

Anyways... my mom then electrocuted me to death in the car parking lot. I woke up after I died but as I was being electrocuted although it was scary for the first few seconds I quickly realized it wasn't real and stopped being afraid... because I felt zero pain and I know electrocution is very painful.

The nightmare would have been the worst nightmare I've ever had... if it wasn't for the fact that I quickly realized I was dreaming.
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31-03-2017, 11:04 AM
RE: Brain Games-Lucid dreaming,OBEs & hallucinations
(31-03-2017 05:58 AM)EvieTheTurtle Wrote:  I think the experience of controlling a dream is an illusion when oneself is asleep as much as it is when oneself is awake.

A lot of what you wrote reminds me of the way my wife experiences her own lucid dreams. However, my wife, our friend Ruth, and I all did control experiments in our lucid dreams and found out it was very easy to control most aspects of dreaming. Here are a few of my own examples:

July 29, 1990
I realized I was dreaming (for whatever reason). I said to myself aloud, “This is a lucid dream now.” I walked over to a woman, shook her hand, and said, “Hello, Sharon.” She told me her last name was “Anderson.” I then asked her how she felt about being my dream character. She immediately launched into a complicated story of some kind. I realized after a moment that the story was coming from the ramblings of my own mind since she WAS my dream character. I concentrated to control this and realized the woman had not only stopped talking altogether but had turned away as well. I let go again, and the woman continued with her story. I lost lucidity and the dream continued.

October 12, 1990
I was walking through the snow on Meadowlark Lane toward my old home in Columbus. I turned to walk across the empty lot behind my house when I realized I was dreaming. Deciding to do something with the dream, I ran toward a picnic table in our back yard and, using it as a step to take off, jumped up into the air. I easily propelled myself some 40 or 50 feet up. Looking down, I saw the roof of the house and noticed that although it was roughly similar to the real house in Columbus, it had an extra addition built out from the front. This detail was immediately corrected in the dream. Arcing over the house, I landed in the front yard.

March 2, 1991
I was in the bathroom of my apartment, and was putting the towel on the towel rack, when I noticed that my dresser was in the bathroom where the sink should have been. I immediately realized that this was a sign I was dreaming, although it surprised me. I turned, ran out the bathroom door, and literally through the front door. As I jumped into the air to fly I discarded the towel I was carrying. Thinking over what I should do with the dream, I decided to practice my diving. Letting myself drop through the air, I did several flips with my arms extended, then several more with my knees held to my chest—both backwards then, reversing my spin, forwards. As I descended I considered what I should land in, then made a small bucket of water appear in the parking lot. When I landed in the bucket I realized that I had shrunk to about six inches tall to compensate. I thought I should now make myself into a giant. I grew until my head was as high as the second story of the apartment building—while I was sitting on the parking lot with the bucket crushed beneath me! I “woke” and recorded my dream, then really woke.
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31-03-2017, 01:28 PM
RE: Brain Games-Lucid dreaming,OBEs & hallucinations
My dreams—the very few I remember—are always very mundane and everyday. And dare I say... down to earth. I've never had a lucid dream, although I understand that some people do, and researchers have proved their occurrence.

On the other hand, I don't accept the notion of true OBEs. I think they're just another form of (misinterpreted) lucid dreaming.

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31-03-2017, 01:47 PM
RE: Brain Games-Lucid dreaming,OBEs & hallucinations
I've had many dreams where something good or bad happens and I realize it's not real, only to 'wake up' in my dream and realize I'M STILL DREAMING.

Really annoyed me when I won the lottery.

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31-03-2017, 02:01 PM
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Quote:July 29, 1990
I realized I was dreaming (for whatever reason). I said to myself aloud, “This is a lucid dream now.” I walked over to a woman, shook her hand, and said, “Hello, Sharon.” She told me her last name was “Anderson.” I then asked her how she felt about being my dream character. She immediately launched into a complicated story of some kind. I realized after a moment that the story was coming from the ramblings of my own mind since she WAS my dream character. I concentrated to control this and realized the woman had not only stopped talking altogether but had turned away as well. I let go again, and the woman continued with her story. I lost lucidity and the dream continued.

WOW that's amazing! Please teach me how to do that!

I didn't mean that kind of control was impossible. Hard to explain.

I've certainly never experienced that kind myself though. Just awareness. Lucidity.

I'd love lucidness + that kind of control. Please teach me how!

I know keeping a dream diary is one way... please tell me other things to help me please please please this is exciting!
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