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08-04-2015, 10:34 AM
RE: Breadfeeding in public.
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Breadfeeding in public is only disgusting when Gilgamesh does it. Twisted fuck.

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08-04-2015, 10:51 AM
RE: Breadfeeding in public.
(08-04-2015 10:32 AM)Exian Wrote:  Anyways, I'm gonna be late for my metzitzah b'peh."

Please! I still plan to eat today... (*)


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08-04-2015, 11:01 AM
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(08-04-2015 10:29 AM)Adrianime Wrote:  I am a bit more conservative on this issue. I have absolutely no problem with women breastfeeding in public. I do have an slight issue though, with women making a stink over establishments that wish for them to cover up while doing so. An exposed breast is very distracting and can make others uncomfortable, and the "this is the natural use for this body part!" argument is completely useless considering sexual intercourse, defecation, urination are all natural uses of the body that we deem to be unsuitable and inappropriate for the public. Our culture is at a point of no return when it comes to the sexualization of breasts, and trying to undo that isn't reasonable or feasible.

So yeah, I say go ahead and breastfeed in public, but please be respectful and cover up, especially when in an establishment that requests you to do so. If you are in your own home, do what you wish. It's your home after all (although it will be up to your guests how to take it).

But like I said, I'm a conservative on this issue. I don't even like being around other males who insist on peeing with the bathroom door open (that was a culture shock for me in college).

I respect your opinion, but here is the counter argument:
1. Adults don't eat with a blanket over their heads. Why should babies?
2. Comparing defecating, urination and sex to breastfeeding isn't a fair comparison to make. Naturally and logically, we have bathrooms for relieving oneself and we have bedrooms and private places for sex. However, we have tables and sometimes couches for eating. Eating can be considered a social event because it can be done with friends and family, of all ages. Going to the bathroom is not a family event. Unless you are by yourself and have little ones in two, you don't drag your spouse or your friends to the bathroom to interact while you are relieving yourself. *note.... ladies night out is excluded from this argument since it can be shown that women go to the bathroom in pairs of two or more because they aren't willing to stop the conversation so that a friend can pee. lol
3. Why should a breastfeeding mother have to cover up her feeding child - especially on a hot day? Some babies do not like to be covered up. Mine didn't. So I didn't force her to be covered up as it can prevent a baby from getting all they need out of each feeding.
4. The breast tissue that is actually exposed during breastfeeding is far less than some scantily clad woman strolling across the beach with her thong bikini exposing 95% of her back side and bikini top only covering a 2 or 3 square inch section surrounding her nipples. If this sort of "nudity" is acceptable to "society" then a mother breastfeeding her child, where you see less breast tissue, should not be frowned upon.
5. Breastfeeding mothers should not have to cover up or compromise their comfort and the comfort of the feeding child so that society can be comfortable with it.
6. If people don't like it - they can stare at something else. Actually, staring is rude so they shouldn't be staring anyway.
7. A nursing mother, in public, should not have to get up from the table she is seated at, grab her child and diaper bag, find a quiet place to nurse (and hope that it's not a dirty, unsanitary bathroom stall), only to come back to a cold plate of food.
8. If done correctly and discreetly (not covering up) no one even notices a baby is feeding. It just looks like a mother cradling her child. She's not holding up signs with bright flashing lights says "Look at me!!! I'm breastfeeding my baby!!" Mom can continue doing what she was doing before her child started eating.
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08-04-2015, 11:03 AM
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I was volunteering with a dog rescue and we had an adoption event at a local pet store with several chairs in one area for the volunteers and the dogs. There were several of us there, with dogs, and signs all around explaining what it was and a woman came over, sat down, and started breastfeeding right in the middle of it all. We just ignored it but it was a running joke for a long time afterwards.

I wonder if the disgust some have is a reaction to the blatant fact that we are mammals and the same as many other animals. It is hard to keep the idea that humans are something other than an animal when faced directly with the obvious indication that we aren't.

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08-04-2015, 11:24 AM
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(08-04-2015 11:03 AM)unfogged Wrote:  I was volunteering with a dog rescue and we had an adoption event at a local pet store with several chairs in one area for the volunteers and the dogs. There were several of us there, with dogs, and signs all around explaining what it was and a woman came over, sat down, and started breastfeeding right in the middle of it all. We just ignored it but it was a running joke for a long time afterwards.

I wonder if the disgust some have is a reaction to the blatant fact that we are mammals and the same as many other animals. It is hard to keep the idea that humans are something other than an animal when faced directly with the obvious indication that we aren't.


I think you nailed it. We are a naked ape whose female have mammary glands that give milk to their young and Christians don't like to be reminded of that. Or don't want to acknowledge it in any way. Especially American Christians. European christian women, I don't think, have this problem so much. Their cities have naked statues on every corner so the human breast isn't so unusual to see.

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08-04-2015, 11:27 AM
RE: Breadfeeding in public.
(08-04-2015 11:24 AM)dancefortwo Wrote:  I think you nailed it. We are a naked ape whose female have mammary glands that give milk to their young and Christians don't like to be reminded of that. Or don't want to acknowledge it in any way. Especially American Christians. European christian women, I don't think, have this problem so much. Their cities have naked statues on every corner so the human breast isn't so unusual to see.

What do you expect, America was founded by people who shuddered at the mere thought that they might be naked under their clothes and God might notice...

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08-04-2015, 11:45 AM
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Amazing isn't it???

It's considered a social event when two men (or women) put on a pair of gloves and try with repeated blows to the head to render each other unconscious.

But, a woman quietly feeding her child, is reason for social upheaval....

That's what sexual repression - thanks to religion - gets you....

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08-04-2015, 11:47 AM (This post was last modified: 08-04-2015 11:52 AM by Momsurroundedbyboys.)
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(08-04-2015 11:01 AM)Judi Lynn Wrote:  
(08-04-2015 10:29 AM)Adrianime Wrote:  I am a bit more conservative on this issue. I have absolutely no problem with women breastfeeding in public. I do have an slight issue though, with women making a stink over establishments that wish for them to cover up while doing so. An exposed breast is very distracting and can make others uncomfortable, and the "this is the natural use for this body part!" argument is completely useless considering sexual intercourse, defecation, urination are all natural uses of the body that we deem to be unsuitable and inappropriate for the public. Our culture is at a point of no return when it comes to the sexualization of breasts, and trying to undo that isn't reasonable or feasible.

So yeah, I say go ahead and breastfeed in public, but please be respectful and cover up, especially when in an establishment that requests you to do so. If you are in your own home, do what you wish. It's your home after all (although it will be up to your guests how to take it).

But like I said, I'm a conservative on this issue. I don't even like being around other males who insist on peeing with the bathroom door open (that was a culture shock for me in college).

I respect your opinion, but here is the counter argument:
1. Adults don't eat with a blanket over their heads. Why should babies?
2. Comparing defecating, urination and sex to breastfeeding isn't a fair comparison to make. Naturally and logically, we have bathrooms for relieving oneself and we have bedrooms and private places for sex. However, we have tables and sometimes couches for eating. Eating can be considered a social event because it can be done with friends and family, of all ages. Going to the bathroom is not a family event. Unless you are by yourself and have little ones in two, you don't drag your spouse or your friends to the bathroom to interact while you are relieving yourself. *note.... ladies night out is excluded from this argument since it can be shown that women go to the bathroom in pairs of two or more because they aren't willing to stop the conversation so that a friend can pee. lol
3. Why should a breastfeeding mother have to cover up her feeding child - especially on a hot day? Some babies do not like to be covered up. Mine didn't. So I didn't force her to be covered up as it can prevent a baby from getting all they need out of each feeding.
4. The breast tissue that is actually exposed during breastfeeding is far less than some scantily clad woman strolling across the beach with her thong bikini exposing 95% of her back side and bikini top only covering a 2 or 3 square inch section surrounding her nipples. If this sort of "nudity" is acceptable to "society" then a mother breastfeeding her child, where you see less breast tissue, should not be frowned upon.
5. Breastfeeding mothers should not have to cover up or compromise their comfort and the comfort of the feeding child so that society can be comfortable with it.
6. If people don't like it - they can stare at something else. Actually, staring is rude so they shouldn't be staring anyway.
7. A nursing mother, in public, should not have to get up from the table she is seated at, grab her child and diaper bag, find a quiet place to nurse (and hope that it's not a dirty, unsanitary bathroom stall), only to come back to a cold plate of food.
8. If done correctly and discreetly (not covering up) no one even notices a baby is feeding. It just looks like a mother cradling her child. She's not holding up signs with bright flashing lights says "Look at me!!! I'm breastfeeding my baby!!" Mom can continue doing what she was doing before her child started eating.

Well said!

It's not like I'd push away dishes and change my baby's diaper right on the table. That to me would be far more offensive...than discreetly showing a tiny amount of boob. (unless he fell asleep which actualy happened a couple times. Once was a birthday party for a good friend, and no one cared, the other time was in Mass and no one cared there either.

Usually my shirt covered the top, the baby covered the side and of course the nipple...what is left to see?!

Now, I'll admit, my younger son was a noisy eater...lots of slurping and nummy sounds. Lmao. But in a loud restaurant it's doubtful anyone could hear it anyway. Also, I could totally just keep eating...

It's funny but even when I gave my older son a bottle, he would still paw at my boob Smile

People are odd about it all. Once we at dinner at a friends home, I was nursing and hubby handed me a glass of wine, telling me to taste it. Without thinking much I did take a sip. Omg you'd think I just poured wine down my baby's throat.

Omg I totally recall once I was in a dressing room of a department store. Nursing noisy number two kid who was totally slurping and making mmmmmmm sounds. Someone called securty saying there was something nasty going on Dodgy

I think the security was more embarrassed when I opened the door holding the baby.


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08-04-2015, 11:57 AM
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Memory jog.....

I remember as a kid in the early 60's watching the neighbor feed her daughter with a bottle.....

I was a curious kid - always asking questions -- and I recall my mother's shock when I asked how they fed babies, before they invented bottles........(I never did get a straight answer).

....

You'd think I'd asked them about gerbiling......

heh

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08-04-2015, 11:59 AM (This post was last modified: 08-04-2015 12:03 PM by Adrianime.)
RE: Breadfeeding in public.
(08-04-2015 11:01 AM)Judi Lynn Wrote:  
(08-04-2015 10:29 AM)Adrianime Wrote:  I am a bit more conservative on this issue. I have absolutely no problem with women breastfeeding in public. I do have an slight issue though, with women making a stink over establishments that wish for them to cover up while doing so. An exposed breast is very distracting and can make others uncomfortable, and the "this is the natural use for this body part!" argument is completely useless considering sexual intercourse, defecation, urination are all natural uses of the body that we deem to be unsuitable and inappropriate for the public. Our culture is at a point of no return when it comes to the sexualization of breasts, and trying to undo that isn't reasonable or feasible.

So yeah, I say go ahead and breastfeed in public, but please be respectful and cover up, especially when in an establishment that requests you to do so. If you are in your own home, do what you wish. It's your home after all (although it will be up to your guests how to take it).

But like I said, I'm a conservative on this issue. I don't even like being around other males who insist on peeing with the bathroom door open (that was a culture shock for me in college).

I respect your opinion, but here is the counter argument:
1. Adults don't eat with a blanket over their heads. Why should babies?
2. Comparing defecating, urination and sex to breastfeeding isn't a fair comparison to make. Naturally and logically, we have bathrooms for relieving oneself and we have bedrooms and private places for sex. However, we have tables and sometimes couches for eating. Eating can be considered a social event because it can be done with friends and family, of all ages. Going to the bathroom is not a family event. Unless you are by yourself and have little ones in two, you don't drag your spouse or your friends to the bathroom to interact while you are relieving yourself. *note.... ladies night out is excluded from this argument since it can be shown that women go to the bathroom in pairs of two or more because they aren't willing to stop the conversation so that a friend can pee. lol
3. Why should a breastfeeding mother have to cover up her feeding child - especially on a hot day? Some babies do not like to be covered up. Mine didn't. So I didn't force her to be covered up as it can prevent a baby from getting all they need out of each feeding.
4. The breast tissue that is actually exposed during breastfeeding is far less than some scantily clad woman strolling across the beach with her thong bikini exposing 95% of her back side and bikini top only covering a 2 or 3 square inch section surrounding her nipples. If this sort of "nudity" is acceptable to "society" then a mother breastfeeding her child, where you see less breast tissue, should not be frowned upon.
5. Breastfeeding mothers should not have to cover up or compromise their comfort and the comfort of the feeding child so that society can be comfortable with it.
6. If people don't like it - they can stare at something else. Actually, staring is rude so they shouldn't be staring anyway.
7. A nursing mother, in public, should not have to get up from the table she is seated at, grab her child and diaper bag, find a quiet place to nurse (and hope that it's not a dirty, unsanitary bathroom stall), only to come back to a cold plate of food.
8. If done correctly and discreetly (not covering up) no one even notices a baby is feeding. It just looks like a mother cradling her child. She's not holding up signs with bright flashing lights says "Look at me!!! I'm breastfeeding my baby!!" Mom can continue doing what she was doing before her child started eating.

I don't care to argue over this, but I'll respond out of courtesy.

1. Because adults don't eat by sucking the fluid out of another human beings glands.
2. The point is that although these functions are all necessary, we've made some decisions as a culture as to which functions are private and which are appropriate in public. Additionally we've come to the conclusion that public nudity or indecent exposure are usually unlawful behaviors. If you can make the argument that "this particular display of nudity is okay because my baby needs to eat, it's natural", then I see another fair argument being, "this display of nudity is okay because I need to pee, it's natural."
3. From what I understand there are varieties of covers that could easily accommodate a hot day. As for a baby's preference, I can't speak to that. To me that sounds like something you'd just have to deal with.
4. Yes, and establishments could just as easily tell those bikini clad ladies that they aren't in appropriate attire to do business here. it's up to the owner. And there is in principle, a difference in wearing clothes that are intentionally revealing, and in the action of pulling off a portion of your clothing to expose body parts that would classify as public nudity, and then covering those parts with a baby's face. And for the record, I personally don't mind seeing breasts in any which way (although, like I said, distracting). I just find it disrespectful to assume that everybody is okay with it. And I find it distasteful to say that a business' policies are infringing upon your ability to feed your child when you clearly have acceptable alternatives.
5. So the individual is more important than everybody else? I don't see that. If we are going to live in a society that means we can't do whatever we want. We follow the standards, laws, rules, and morals of where we live. And if not those, then "common" courtesy.
6. Same response as 5. I could make a similar argument about my right to aggressively make out and fondle my gf in public. Hell, I'm not hurting anybody!! Just look away if it makes you uncomfortable.
7. Then don't get up. Just use a modest cover while in an establishment that requests/requires it.
8. Not that this counts as evidence, but I've never not noticed what was going on during a breastfeeding (not just referring to covers or not, but the entirety of the activity). I just never say anything or make it apparent that I notice. I consider that to be the courteous thing to do.

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