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26-03-2014, 11:38 AM
Breakthrough !!, there is no hard evidence
re: the Benny Hinn quest

It was 6 years in the making, but I finally got a m8 to admit there is no testable proof of supernatural healing.

The tact that worked was to get him to admit that any case of a provable miracle would be so profoundly earth shattering it would be headline news on every TV station for months and Atheism would be over.

He claimed that he never considered proof of a miracle to be that important because they happen all the time (apparently several times a week to many of his church group).

Theism is to believe what other people claim, Atheism is to ask "why should I".
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26-03-2014, 11:49 AM
RE: Breakthrough !!, there is no hard evidence
I tried that.
I got "media censorship" as a response Facepalm

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26-03-2014, 11:59 AM
RE: Breakthrough !!, there is no hard evidence
(26-03-2014 11:49 AM)Im_Ryan Wrote:  I tried that.
I got "media censorship" as a response Facepalm

Yeah, I got that response too.

My retort was "Really? Fox News would censor proof of God's existence? Are you kidding me, they try to make every scientific discovery "proof" of God's existence. If an actual honest to god miracle were to occur, they wouldn't be able to keep Fox from covering it."

I just got a dumb look after that.

Excuse me, I'm making perfect sense. You're just not keeping up.

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26-03-2014, 12:21 PM
RE: Breakthrough !!, there is no hard evidence
(26-03-2014 11:59 AM)itsnotmeitsyou Wrote:  
(26-03-2014 11:49 AM)Im_Ryan Wrote:  I tried that.
I got "media censorship" as a response Facepalm

Yeah, I got that response too.

My retort was "Really? Fox News would censor proof of God's existence? Are you kidding me, they try to make every scientific discovery "proof" of God's existence. If an actual honest to god miracle were to occur, they wouldn't be able to keep Fox from covering it."

I just got a dumb look after that.

Quote:
"But Fox lies just like the rest of them, just you say all the time!"

I'll just add another Facepalm here, with a side a Frusty

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26-03-2014, 12:26 PM
RE: Breakthrough !!, there is no hard evidence
(26-03-2014 12:21 PM)Im_Ryan Wrote:  
(26-03-2014 11:59 AM)itsnotmeitsyou Wrote:  Yeah, I got that response too.

My retort was "Really? Fox News would censor proof of God's existence? Are you kidding me, they try to make every scientific discovery "proof" of God's existence. If an actual honest to god miracle were to occur, they wouldn't be able to keep Fox from covering it."

I just got a dumb look after that.

Quote:
"But Fox lies just like the rest of them, just you say all the time!"

I'll just add another Facepalm here, with a side a Frusty

Facepalm

Yeah, that's the problem with apologetics... It's too easy to move the goal posts and logic doesn't even enter into the equation.

Excuse me, I'm making perfect sense. You're just not keeping up.

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26-03-2014, 12:34 PM
RE: Breakthrough !!, there is no hard evidence
(26-03-2014 12:26 PM)itsnotmeitsyou Wrote:  
(26-03-2014 12:21 PM)Im_Ryan Wrote:  Quote:
"But Fox lies just like the rest of them, just you say all the time!"

I'll just add another Facepalm here, with a side a Frusty

Facepalm

Yeah, that's the problem with apologetics... It's too easy to move the goal posts and logic doesn't even enter into the equation.

Yeah... reminds me of this:


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26-03-2014, 01:26 PM
RE: Breakthrough !!, there is no hard evidence
(26-03-2014 12:34 PM)Im_Ryan Wrote:  
(26-03-2014 12:26 PM)itsnotmeitsyou Wrote:  Facepalm

Yeah, that's the problem with apologetics... It's too easy to move the goal posts and logic doesn't even enter into the equation.

Yeah... reminds me of this:

That is one of the most accurate descriptions of arguing with an apologist I have ever heard. Very few exceptions, very few.

Occasionally, you do make some progress like the OP. It just doesn't happen often enough because cognitive dissonance is too powerful when one side is rooted in the very core of the person's identity.

Excuse me, I'm making perfect sense. You're just not keeping up.

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27-03-2014, 06:20 AM
RE: Breakthrough !!, there is no hard evidence
Interesting topic. When I was a believer I admitted there was no hard proof of god. Other believers used to get upset with me on that.
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27-03-2014, 06:58 AM
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(27-03-2014 06:20 AM)wazzel Wrote:  Interesting topic. When I was a believer I admitted there was no hard proof of god. Other believers used to get upset with me on that.

Probably because they knew where thoughts like that would lead you.

Exactly where it has... To being an atheist posting on an atheist forum.

Ok, maybe they didn't know about the forums, but that's why they denounce anything that does not support their god. Questions lead to questioning, questioning leads to answers, answers not supplied by the Bible...

Excuse me, I'm making perfect sense. You're just not keeping up.

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27-03-2014, 07:18 AM
RE: Breakthrough !!, there is no hard evidence
(27-03-2014 06:58 AM)itsnotmeitsyou Wrote:  
(27-03-2014 06:20 AM)wazzel Wrote:  Interesting topic. When I was a believer I admitted there was no hard proof of god. Other believers used to get upset with me on that.

Probably because they knew where thoughts like that would lead you.

Exactly where it has... To being an atheist posting on an atheist forum.

Ok, maybe they didn't know about the forums, but that's why they denounce anything that does not support their god. Questions lead to questioning, questioning leads to answers, answers not supplied by the Bible...

Quite possibily. I am the questioning type. I have instilled that into my kids. There is a very strong chance they are not going to be religious when they get older.
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