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06-12-2017, 12:17 PM
RE: Brexit meets reality.
(06-12-2017 11:50 AM)Dom Wrote:  
(06-12-2017 06:42 AM)OakTree500 Wrote:  This whole vote/brexit has made me ashamed (or more so) ashamed to be British.

Try being US.....Confused

At least most of the US voted against the racist cheeto.

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07-12-2017, 07:51 AM
RE: Brexit meets reality.
It's no surprise that the DUP said no, they've been doing that throughout the history of the troubles in Ireland. Now that the guns are gone, there are much closer ties between North and South, and they don't like it. In reality they would like a "hard" border between us. They are a bunch of hypocritical fucks when they say " they will not accept any form of regulatory divergence which separates Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK", except when it comes to gay rights/marriage and abortion services that exist in the rest of the UK but not in N. Ireland. Brexit will be a disaster for the Nordies and a hard border will probably lead to the DUP's worse fears, a United Ireland. Tongue

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07-12-2017, 01:23 PM
RE: Brexit meets reality.
It's apparently all about democracy, doncha know. So, here's the DUP using the "undemocratic" institution of Parliament and their tiny role in it, with their fringe ideology to get what they want when: 1. The majority of Northern Irish voted to stay in the EU and almost everyone in Northern Ireland is happy with no border between north and south 2. The border wasn't even mentioned in the referendum 3. No one in the Irish Republic got to vote at all...nothing to do with them, apparently.

That's what democracy is all about. Sometimes it results in the majority of the people getting what they want while, at the same time, the majority of the people not getting what they want, depending on what you mean by "the people".
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07-12-2017, 01:52 PM
RE: Brexit meets reality.
Folks,

The person who started all this Brexit stuff is doing zilch in spadework while claiming £84,000 a year as a sleeping member of the European parliament.

That's nice work if you can get it, although I couldn't stomach that level of freeloading for myself or for my German wife.

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08-12-2017, 01:11 PM
RE: Brexit meets reality.
There has been a breakthrough deal on Brexit and there will be no hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. Looks like Theresa May must have told the DUP to go fuck themselves. They will still have to vote on the final deal and could bring Theresa May's government down if they're still unhappy with the deal. But they also know if they trigger an election the Labour party could win and the next prime minster would be Jeremy Corbyn - who has absolutely no time for the unionist fucks in Northern Ireland. Tongue

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08-12-2017, 04:39 PM
RE: Brexit meets reality.
I have it on good authority that Bell End, Worcestershire, Brown Willy, Cornwall, Boggy Bottom, Hertfordshire, Twatt, Orkney, Nob End, South Lancashire, Fanny Barks, Durham. and Scratchy Bottom, Dorset all want their own deal also.

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09-12-2017, 04:53 AM
RE: Brexit meets reality.
(06-12-2017 12:17 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(06-12-2017 11:50 AM)Dom Wrote:  Try being US.....Confused

At least most of the US voted against the racist cheeto.

But also plenty of people used their vote to 'send a message' by voting for 3rd party. All of those 'message votes' have done fuck all to curb Trump and the GOP from rampaging through our democracy like a drunken bull in a china shop on the edge of the San Andrea fault during an earthquake.

The tagline for 2017 should read 'Elections Have Consequences'. I imagine a whole generation of United States and United Kingdom youth are learning that lesson the hard way.

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09-12-2017, 11:56 AM (This post was last modified: 09-12-2017 12:00 PM by Deltabravo.)
RE: Brexit meets reality.
The latest is that there's now a "deal". No border in Ireland and regulatory harmony so that goods can pass back and forth, and continued jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice, free movement of people, and guarantees of citizens rights, plus a £40,000,000,000 payback to the EU. That's a transitional deal while they negotiate a free trade agreement.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-brita...SKBN1E20G6

In the end, it's now obvious May is moving towards EU membership in all but name. It's a big price tag to end up in the same position but with no representation in the European parliament. Nigel Farage is up in arms. He'll lose his job, thankfully.

In the meantime, back at the ranch, there are ongoing investigations by the Electoral Commission into Russian influence in the referendum campaigns and illegal donations to the Leave campaign which some are suggesting may delegitimise the result.

Apart from that, there's the thorny issue of devolution. Many legislative areas have been handed over to Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales which they will want to keep, rather than the UK government taking over legislating in those areas. So,there's now going to be a huge push to get these powers for the devolved administrations, and under the constitutional arrangement within the UK the Sewell Convention provides that taking back power by the UK from these local governments has to be with their consent, and once given out, really cannot be taken back. The Sewell Convention arose out of Britain's experience of having to hand over power to its former colonies and now it's been incorporated into legislation.

So, the end result is going to be a more fractured UK, which is a good thing, free trade etc, which is a good thing, new passports without the EU written on them, and no input in EU laws which will just be adopted by the UK. Nothing will, in reality, change. It's all about moving around the furniture to make people feel good. Britain won't negotiate any new trade deals with foreign governments because, after they joined the EU, they stopped doing that. It was only the EU that could negotiate these deals, so there's no one in the UK government with any experience doing this, and why bother because other governments will do deals with Europe instead of the UK and the UK will just join up to them.

What a total waste of time.

But, like true British, stiff upper lipped gits that they are, they'll never acknowledge that the whole thing is a farce and turn back. That's the attitude which led to the British Empire being what it is today, nonexistent. It's part of the national psyche, as explained in this video which explains the mindset of the British:



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09-12-2017, 12:29 PM
RE: Brexit meets reality.
Thanks for the brupdate!

We're such a bunch of wankers.

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09-12-2017, 02:35 PM
RE: Brexit meets reality.
(06-12-2017 06:42 AM)OakTree500 Wrote:  What a bunch of shit.

Somebody said a while ago, but this should not have been a choice given to the public.


I disagree. Public have every right to vote on such important things. You can say that average voter isn't qualified to make decission of this magnitude but since when democracy was about competence? There's also issue of politicians being qualified to handle such decissions - I doubt that they are. Poland isn't UK but run of the mill politician here is dumb as bag of rocks and is no one that I would allow to decide on what to eat at dinner, much less things of greater import; if country could be screwrd by idiocy then I preffer idiocy of average voter to one of uppity servants.

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