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15-09-2017, 12:51 PM
Exclamation Brock Turner's Picture and the Definition of Rape
From one of our national newspapers yesterday... Brock Turner's picture appears in textbook next to definition of rape.

"The six-month sentence handed down to student Brock Turner for the intention to rape and sexual penetration with a foreign object of an unconscious woman behind a dumpster at Stanford University was decried by protesters around the world...

Now, more than a year after his release after serving three months of his sentence, Brock Turner is back in the public eye after an image was shared on social media of Turner's mugshot in a university criminal justice textbook under the definition of "rape"...

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How can it be that this rich white kid effectively walks away with a three-month custodial sentence instead of 6 years' time in a State prison? What strings in high places were pulled by his father...

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Dan Turner (L) with Republican Senator Lindsey Graham

And finally, what if Brock Turner had been a black youth? I know it's purely hypothetical, but would an African-American have walked away with a 90-day sentence for raping a white girl? I think not.

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15-09-2017, 01:46 PM
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(15-09-2017 12:51 PM)SYZ Wrote:  How can it be that this rich white kid effectively walks away with a three-month custodial sentence instead of 6 years' time in a State prison? What strings in high places were pulled by his father...

Isn't this the same case where the judge said that a full sentence would be too hard on the kid?
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15-09-2017, 01:50 PM
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(15-09-2017 01:46 PM)RobbyPants Wrote:  
(15-09-2017 12:51 PM)SYZ Wrote:  How can it be that this rich white kid effectively walks away with a three-month custodial sentence instead of 6 years' time in a State prison? What strings in high places were pulled by his father...

Isn't this the same case where the judge said that a full sentence would be too hard on the kid?

Yup. I believe it was something along the lines of "Imagine the stigma the poor kid's gonna carry for the rest of his life" Dodgy No mention of the trauma suffered by the victim, who IIRC was incredibly courageous in her statement concerning the unexpectedly low sentence.

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15-09-2017, 02:02 PM
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(15-09-2017 01:46 PM)RobbyPants Wrote:  Isn't this the same case where the judge said that a full sentence would be too hard on the kid?

Yep. Aaron Persky of the Santa Clara Superior Court believed Turner’s side of the story, that the victim gave Turner consent to have sexual contact with her. Persky also took into consideration, among other factors, that Turner was remorseful, was not previously convicted of any crimes, was young, was not armed during the crime, that he would comply with the terms of probation, and he would not be a danger to others if not imprisoned. He said "a prison sentence would have a severe impact and adverse collateral consequences on Turner".

And although Turner was convicted by a unanimous jury, Persky ultimately decided his punishment: six months in county jail and three years of probation—far less than the six years prosecutors had asked for, in line with the two-year minimum guideline for each of the three felony counts.

The US Department of Justice defines rape as the penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim. The crimes for which Turner was convicted all comply with these definitions, which makes his 90 day's incarceration totally incongruous.

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15-09-2017, 02:02 PM
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Maybe some night he'll be sodomized behind a dumpster.
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15-09-2017, 09:07 PM
Brock Turner's Picture and the Definition of Rape
Such sentence was nothing more than parody of justice.

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15-09-2017, 09:40 PM
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(15-09-2017 01:46 PM)RobbyPants Wrote:  
(15-09-2017 12:51 PM)SYZ Wrote:  How can it be that this rich white kid effectively walks away with a three-month custodial sentence instead of 6 years' time in a State prison? What strings in high places were pulled by his father...

Isn't this the same case where the judge said that a full sentence would be too hard on the kid?

That's the fucking point of incarceration to act as a deterrent to not commit crimes.
They're supposed to be fucking hard. (not getting shitty at you Robby, just saying the system and some judges are fucking idiot cunts)


I'm pro-being lenient when it comes to first time offenders, young people etc.. but only when the crime is appropriate to do so. Some 18 year old found with some weed on him? ok who cares, slap on the wrist (even though weed should be legal), let him walk. The punishment would be too harsh and the consequences not in keeping with the crime. Rape on the other hand... I mean it's fucking rape... bring down the hammer hard on the kids head and pound him into the dirt.

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15-09-2017, 09:43 PM
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(15-09-2017 12:51 PM)SYZ Wrote:  And finally, what if Brock Turner had been a black youth? I know it's purely hypothetical, but would an African-American have walked away with a 90-day sentence for raping a white girl? I think not.

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I don't know. Is the black kid's mother or father loaded and connected to all the right people?
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15-09-2017, 11:48 PM
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(15-09-2017 09:43 PM)Aliza Wrote:  
(15-09-2017 12:51 PM)SYZ Wrote:  And finally, what if Brock Turner had been a black youth? I know it's purely hypothetical, but would an African-American have walked away with a 90-day sentence for raping a white girl? I think not.

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I don't know. Is the black kid's mother or father loaded and connected to all the right people?

This was the most similar case that came to my mind at the time, mostly because the media focused on how unfortunate it was for these young athletes' futures to be completely "ruined" by their own heinous decisions. CensoredHobo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steubenvil...case#Crime

Don't think their parents were particularly connected, but the small-town reverence for young football talent could be similar to Brock Turner's case.

The 2 minors got 1 and 2 years respectively, and there was video evidence against them both with worse(?) sexual contact, gang rape vs fingers (plus child pornography distribution charges). Not excusing either, but I do think gang rape deserves a harsher punishment personally.

Honestly I think the punishment in both this case and Brock Turner was far too lax, probably due to (some) people's sympathy for "kids" with a "bright future" ahead of them. I would hesitate to bring color into it until I see a clear comparison example, but my hunch is that black kids would tend toward worse sentences on average than white kids with similar backgrounds. That's definitely is true for other crimes (drug offenses especially). Undecided

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16-09-2017, 12:03 AM
RE: Brock Turner's Picture and the Definition of Rape
(15-09-2017 12:51 PM)SYZ Wrote:  From one of our national newspapers yesterday... Brock Turner's picture appears in textbook next to definition of rape.

"... Turner's mugshot in a university criminal justice textbook under the definition of "rape"...
...

How can it be that this rich white kid effectively walks away with a three-month custodial sentence instead of 6 years' time in a State prison? What strings in high places were pulled by his father...
...

Which point do you want to discuss?

The case itself?
The state legal system?
The use of his picture in the book? i.e. shaming.
The use of his picture in the book when he's not technically a rapist?
The author's stated opinion? Specifically:

Callie Rennison Wrote:Existing criminal justice books have focused on three elements: cops, courts and corrections. They speak little about victims, reflecting how they have effectively been in the shadows of our criminal justice system. In our book, victims are front and centre with equal emphasis as cops, courts and corrections. This is the way it should be.


If it's all of the above, I'll leave it in the Coffeehouse (although none of these subjects strike me as 'casual').

If it's the former, i.e. the case itself, here are some earler discussions from the time.

A discussion of the event:
Father doesn't think son should get 6MO for only 20 minutes of rape.

This was intended as a discussion of the relevant ethics (posted in the Philosophy section) but also spread to discussion of the event:
The thread that got Mittens Deluxe banned.

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