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26-01-2013, 03:20 PM
RE: Brothels.
(26-01-2013 03:12 PM)Hobbitgirl Wrote:  I think brothels should be more widely available, as well as -very- well regulated (as for the health and safety reasons you listed above) They provide a service that, lets face it, is needed.

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26-01-2013, 05:25 PM
RE: Brothels.
We could certainly end the debate over legalized brothels and the black market violence created by the prohibition of same by simply allowing individuals to trade peacefully and voluntarily. Legislating morality, aside from being fundamentally immoral, always has disastrous results. To wit:

The sex slave market.
The rate of STD transmission.
The existence of dangerous work environments for prostitutes, including violent pimps and being forced to work in dangerous areas and/or being forced to take johns to places where the woman has no one to intervene should she be harmed.

All of these problems are a direct result of the prohibition on prostitution. That's not to say that none of them would ever exist in a truly free market but it is to say that they would be the rare exception rather than the rule.

In the end, this is what happens when one group of people attempts to control the peaceful activities of others through the threat of force. It simply does not work.

Regarding the claim that most sex workers don't like their jobs, that's hard to tell, since self reporting is the only metric one can use and we know that human beings often create pleasant stories around unpleasant realities. Another thing we know about prostitutes in particular, is that when questioned in studies, 98% report having been sexually abused as children, which is remarkably higher than reports from women who aren't prostitutes. We also know that people who have been abused often restage their childhood traumas in order that they can control the events, since as children, they were completely helpless to do so. Moreover, those who have been sexually abused as children often feel that their only sense of self worth is in their ability to provide sexual gratification to others. So from what we know, it isn't a stretch to conclude that prostitutes are in their jobs because they lack the self esteem necessary to make them confident in other work and that in the process of doing their work they're also restaging their childhood traumas and thus, managing their feelings of helplessness. In my estimation, that's not the definition of happiness.
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29-01-2013, 10:53 PM
RE: Brothels.
(25-01-2013 02:48 PM)Mr Woof Wrote:  In the 60s in this country, brothels were pretty grotty places. There might be one woman working from a single room with a sink for the man to wash his penis before sex. Afterwards was optional.How thing have changed!

The modern brothel is predominantly heterosexual, so I will be dealing exclusively with such, while gay brothels certainly do exist.

The pros and cons.
There are many arguments supporting the social value of brothels and I shall touch on but a few.
It is argued that brothels serve to support some men who would choose rape and violence if such were not readily available and statistics, twisted as statistics can be, seem to verify this. Another claim to fame is that brothels provide sexual services that are abhorrent to some wives and lovers. For example probably all sex workers provide fellatio, where a condom is utilized;fewer also offer anal sex and other so called deviations. This may be well and good providing the husband has severed all sexual relations with his spouse.
There is also the issue of men unable to find a wife or partner, for various reasons, including some form of physical disability. The recent movie The Sessions dealt with the case, based on fact, of an almost totally paralysed man who sought penetrative sexual gratification,via a therapist, and the issue is dealt with quite sensitively. Even his priest blessed his decision. Sex, simply for the fun of variation,lust, and orgasm(s) is also cited as a sane reason to indulge.

Far removed from the brothel of old, today's modern version may contain spa, sauna, video porn, gym equipment,cock tail bar, mouth wash, listerine, exotic oils and even little blue pills. As of old, the major feature,is of course, the ladies.

It is often claimed that many sex workers dislike their work and it is simply just a means to survive: often extremely well.
I really feel this claim is probably exagerated, while obviously applicable, relevant to some particularly obnoxious clients.
The punter, in my estimate, can expect 90% plus of the ladies to be reasonably friendly, contrived or otherwise, with a very small percentage being absolute bitches. There are Mums, bisexuals, enjoyers, entrepreneurs,lesbians,artists, intellectuals, mystics and many more. I once had a friend who was bi-sexual, a goth,and Door Bitch. She also regularly attended a B/D & S.M.club. A kind person, she would pick up a dead cat from the side of the road and bury it.

There is, of course a down side to brothels,even with those pills, and I have already indicated some of these factors.
Quite often such places are owned by under world figures so corruption such a sex slavery, hard drugs, extortion etc may play a part in some cases, a factor which might deter some clients. Sexual slavery, in particular, is an extremely nasty business.
It is very difficult to overcome the huge problem of STDs (sexually transmitted diseases) which always seem to be on the rise. Even where condoms are used there can be breakages,whether during fellatio or sexual intercourse. Some sex workers do not seem to worry so much about un protected cunnilingus for themselves, or the client. Such, for the male, can provide a great many oral STDs, not to mention warts on the tongue.
Also the condom can always give way to the mighty dollar, when it comes to 'in house' bartering, and even this isn't always neccessary. Some three decades ago, a friend, a very good looking young professional wrestler was provided unasked for analingus. Hope the next client was a fan!

WEll, just a few tit bits to ponder over. Essentially we all have to work out our own behaviour and to be fore warned is to be best prepared
If they don't like the line of work then they shouldn't be working there, simple as that. Justice reduces the amounts of rape, implying brothels do is a very asinine way to look at things. Many third world countries have brothels, many third world countries have high amounts of rape. Intelligence and Justice are key roles in determining the amount of crime a country will face. Europe has a high education, but a very low and soft limp dick they call justice. So when these immigrants from third world countries move to Europe with their low intelligence. Rape and murder are going to sky rocket. Brothels really don't play a role in it.

There's nothing like getting Brothel Aids. In short what I'm trying to say is that there are no good things that come from prostitution or brothels. Stop being an apologist bitch.
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29-01-2013, 11:14 PM
RE: Brothels.
"Justice reduces the amounts of rape,"


Do you have evidence to support that assertion?
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29-01-2013, 11:21 PM
RE: Brothels.
(29-01-2013 10:53 PM)Nappa Wrote:  ...
In short what I'm trying to say is that there are no good things that come from prostitution
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Judging by the attire of the elegant young ladies in my apartment block, I think LV, Prada, Guess etc. might disagree.

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29-01-2013, 11:26 PM
RE: Brothels.
(29-01-2013 11:14 PM)bbeljefe Wrote:  "Justice reduces the amounts of rape,"


Do you have evidence to support that assertion?
Mhmmm, if all the rapists are dead there will be significant less amounts of rape.
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29-01-2013, 11:45 PM
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And if the fox hadn't stopped to shit, he'd have caught supper.

I didn't ask what if, I asked for evidence.
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29-01-2013, 11:56 PM
RE: Brothels.
(29-01-2013 11:45 PM)bbeljefe Wrote:  And if the fox hadn't stopped to shit, he'd have caught supper.

I didn't ask what if, I asked for evidence.
That is evidence, execution stops the crime before it happens again. 'Recidivism' is the bitch term used to lighten the fact that criminals committed the same crime twice. It's pretty high for rape and murder. At least the ones they catch doing it again. Execution also forms a deterrent to dumb fucks who think about committing said crimes.

Now you can go right on ahead and apologize for being a little bitch, execution isn't a 'what if' happens. It's proven to be effective for 10,000 years. Dumb bitch. Sure you might execute one or two innocent people on the way there but that's just the failure of the system, not the action of prevention.
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30-01-2013, 12:45 AM
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You still haven't provided evidence that what you call justice reduces the occurrence of rape. I understand that when you murder a rapist, he can't commit the crime again but that's not what I asked you for. I asked for evidence that what you call justice has lowered the occurrence of rape.

As you mentioned, punitive punishments have been in place for a very long time. However, if ten thousand years is the number we're going with, don't you think that's long enough for a solution to be found, rather than a mere deterrent? Think about all the wonderful things humanity has created in the last ten thousand years and then think about the fact that rape, and the punishments you advocate, have existed for at least that long and it's still a problem.

From my point of view, that's not progress. Especially if one understands the reasons why people commit their first rape, even in the face of your draconian punishment.

So again I ask, do you have evidence supporting your claim?
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30-01-2013, 01:08 AM
RE: Brothels.
(30-01-2013 12:45 AM)bbeljefe Wrote:  You still haven't provided evidence that what you call justice reduces the occurrence of rape. I understand that when you murder a rapist, he can't commit the crime again but that's not what I asked you for. I asked for evidence that what you call justice has lowered the occurrence of rape.

As you mentioned, punitive punishments have been in place for a very long time. However, if ten thousand years is the number we're going with, don't you think that's long enough for a solution to be found, rather than a mere deterrent? Think about all the wonderful things humanity has created in the last ten thousand years and then think about the fact that rape, and the punishments you advocate, have existed for at least that long and it's still a problem.

From my point of view, that's not progress. Especially if one understands the reasons why people commit their first rape, even in the face of your draconian punishment.

So again I ask, do you have evidence supporting your claim?
Death is the solution, I never said death was a punishment, if you believe it is such then I truly feel sorry for you. Seriously? Why people commit rape in the first place? I'm not gonna call you a dumb bitch, I wanted to but I stopped myself. People commit crimes because they either A. Don't think they'll get caught or B. Don't care about the consequences they'll face if they do get caught.

You're a brainwashed European aren't you? The act of considering self defense murder can only be derived from one Draconian belief, that all life is sacred. Which stems from the Bible in a commandment of thou shalt not kill. We Humans must kill when necessary, and it is necessary in order to defend ourselves from people who have no regard for the common unspoken rules of our society. Rules that prevent each other from committing harm upon others who did not warrant it.

Your moral beliefs are flawed my friend, I do not seek to punish rapists or murderers. I only bestow upon them the consequences which I would want any one of my species to bestow upon me if I had committed such a crime as murder or rape. That consequence is the forfeit of my life, for once I commit either of those crimes I would become corrupt at my core and I would have to be removed from this life in order to prevent any harm being done to others.

It is out of my compassion for them that I would kill them. If you truly wished to respect their life you would do the same.

The belief that murderers and rapists can be 'rehabilitated' is a sham by the legal systems of our society, there is a lot of money to be made from people who commit many crimes. In our capitalist society even our justice system has become a business for the greedy to stuff their pockets with hard earned cash or bribes from the rich, such has been seen with Casey Anthony and OJ Simpson. Those without a sense of justice and a sense of humanity will foolishly invite the wolves to come rape their wives and murder their children. Werewolves should be put out of their misery. Keeping them alive is cruel not only to the wolf man but also to those who have to suffer from his curse, and if you believe they should be kept alive because you lack a backbone to do what is right then you sir are a cruel man. By killing them you would be showing mercy to all involved.
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