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15-10-2015, 10:08 AM
RE: CNN Democratic Debate
(15-10-2015 09:56 AM)Alla Wrote:  do all lives matter or black lives matter?
Sanders answered: black lives matter. Thank you, new preacher of morality, for letting me know that my life doesn't matter.

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15-10-2015, 10:14 AM
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(15-10-2015 09:53 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  1. Why would that have to do with a matter of trust? Or have to do with anything?
Let's assume I don't believe that it is morally wrong that while some have too much and others have too little. I am very rich. Then socialist Sanders preaches to me that I am wrong and what I do is immoral. He wants me to give my stuff to others.
In order for me to do this I have to agree with him. I will agree with him if I know that he is right and I am wrong. HOW can I know who is right and who is wrong?
I can't. The only thing that is left - I have to TRUST that he knows better.

So, why should I trust socialist Sanders that he is right and I(rich) am wrong?

(15-10-2015 09:53 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  2. Ones morals are individual but pile into a collective. The public current US collective seems to agree with that sentiment.
why is it morally wrong when while some are too rich others are too poor? can you tell me, please?
(15-10-2015 09:53 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  3. Probably nothing will happen. Because even if he had power, he's still 1 person in a sea of a system currently filled with those who want to support the very rich. How would one be forced to obey, obey what? Obey agreeing to what exactly and why would there be punishment of jail or death?
So, if socialist Sanders and Democratic(Socialist) party get power in 2016 what will they do with rich who disagree with their philosophy that it is morally wrong while some have too much others have too little?

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15-10-2015, 10:21 AM
RE: CNN Democratic Debate
(15-10-2015 09:56 AM)Alla Wrote:  
(14-10-2015 07:07 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  [*]Webb - More conservative than the others, for the most part. The single, most resounding thing from him in the debate was he's super mad he didn't get to talk as much as everyone else*. Now, this is somewhat of a fair criticism, but that's pretty much all I'm going to remember about him. I also couldn't tell if his answer to the last question (who is your biggest enemy you've made) was serious or not. It was certainly dumb. I don't expect his candidacy to last much longer.
I will remember this about him: he is the only one who was honest and BRAVE when he answered the question: are all lives matter or black lives matter?
His answer was: all lives matter.
The rest (cowards) said: black lives matter.


do all lives matter or black lives matter?
Sanders answered: black lives matter. Thank you, new preacher of morality, for letting me know that my life doesn't matter.

You clearly don't understand the context of the phrase "black lives matter".
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15-10-2015, 10:35 AM
RE: CNN Democratic Debate
(15-10-2015 10:14 AM)Alla Wrote:  why is it morally wrong when while some are too rich others are too poor? can you tell me, please?

I'll defer to Pope Francis on this one.

“Working for a just distribution of the fruits of the earth and human labor is not mere philanthropy. It is a moral obligation. For Christians, the responsibility is even greater: it is a commandment.”

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15-10-2015, 10:38 AM
RE: CNN Democratic Debate
(15-10-2015 10:14 AM)Alla Wrote:  
(15-10-2015 09:53 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  1. Why would that have to do with a matter of trust? Or have to do with anything?
Let's assume I don't believe that it is morally wrong that while some have too much and others have too little. I am very rich. Then socialist Sanders preaches to me that I am wrong and what I do is immoral. He wants me to give my stuff to others.
In order for me to do this I have to agree with him. I will agree with him if I know that he is right and I am wrong. HOW can I know who is right and who is wrong?
I can't. The only thing that is left - I have to TRUST that he knows better.

So, why should I trust socialist Sanders that he is right and I(rich) am wrong?

(15-10-2015 09:53 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  2. Ones morals are individual but pile into a collective. The public current US collective seems to agree with that sentiment.
why is it morally wrong when while some are too rich others are too poor? can you tell me, please?
(15-10-2015 09:53 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  3. Probably nothing will happen. Because even if he had power, he's still 1 person in a sea of a system currently filled with those who want to support the very rich. How would one be forced to obey, obey what? Obey agreeing to what exactly and why would there be punishment of jail or death?
So, if socialist Sanders and Democratic(Socialist) party get power in 2016 what will they do with rich who disagree with their philosophy that it is morally wrong while some have too much others have too little?

What "stuff" is he asking you to give up and give to others? As a rich person, you're expected to pay your taxes, just like everyone else. We are already in a democratic socialist state. It's not the boogeyman you seem to think it is.

So, what is your proposal for how we handle taxes?
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15-10-2015, 11:12 AM
RE: CNN Democratic Debate
(15-10-2015 10:14 AM)Alla Wrote:  
(15-10-2015 09:53 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  1. Why would that have to do with a matter of trust? Or have to do with anything?
Let's assume I don't believe that it is morally wrong that while some have too much and others have too little. I am very rich. Then socialist Sanders preaches to me that I am wrong and what I do is immoral. He wants me to give my stuff to others.
In order for me to do this I have to agree with him. I will agree with him if I know that he is right and I am wrong. HOW can I know who is right and who is wrong?
I can't. The only thing that is left - I have to TRUST that he knows better.

So, why should I trust socialist Sanders that he is right and I(rich) am wrong?

(15-10-2015 09:53 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  2. Ones morals are individual but pile into a collective. The public current US collective seems to agree with that sentiment.
why is it morally wrong when while some are too rich others are too poor? can you tell me, please?
(15-10-2015 09:53 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  3. Probably nothing will happen. Because even if he had power, he's still 1 person in a sea of a system currently filled with those who want to support the very rich. How would one be forced to obey, obey what? Obey agreeing to what exactly and why would there be punishment of jail or death?
So, if socialist Sanders and Democratic(Socialist) party get power in 2016 what will they do with rich who disagree with their philosophy that it is morally wrong while some have too much others have too little?

1. That doesn't answer anything, lemme state, by that I meant "socialist" and you repeated that on your own. What does "socialist" Sanders have to do with anything? And no, you don't have to trust him in the direct scenario you laid out. That in fact makes no sense as any implication of anything changing anything about the scenario. Trust or No Trust doesn't alter that situation.

2. No I can't. Because I don't believe there is any moral right or wrong thing in existence. Though girly did make an effort to clarify that for you.

3. The same thing they'll do with the rich who agree with their philosophy . . . Why would there be a difference for those who disagree? Disagreement won't engage them to do something with them differently.

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15-10-2015, 04:42 PM
RE: CNN Democratic Debate
(15-10-2015 10:35 AM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(15-10-2015 10:14 AM)Alla Wrote:  why is it morally wrong when while some are too rich others are too poor? can you tell me, please?

I'll defer to Pope Francis on this one.

“Working for a just distribution of the fruits of the earth and human labor is not mere philanthropy. It is a moral obligation. For Christians, the responsibility is even greater: it is a commandment.”
what is "just distribution of the fruits of the earth and human labor" according to Pope Francis? and how does he know this?

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15-10-2015, 04:45 PM
RE: CNN Democratic Debate
(15-10-2015 10:21 AM)kineo Wrote:  You clearly don't understand the context of the phrase "black lives matter".
It is irrelevant how I understand the context of the phrase "black lives matter"

There was a question. Very simple and straight question: do all lives matter or black lives matter?

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15-10-2015, 04:51 PM
RE: CNN Democratic Debate
(15-10-2015 04:42 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(15-10-2015 10:35 AM)GirlyMan Wrote:  I'll defer to Pope Francis on this one.

“Working for a just distribution of the fruits of the earth and human labor is not mere philanthropy. It is a moral obligation. For Christians, the responsibility is even greater: it is a commandment.”
what is "just distribution of the fruits of the earth and human labor" according to Pope Francis?

From each according to their ability and to each according to their need. - Acts 4:32-37

(15-10-2015 10:35 AM)GirlyMan Wrote:  and how does he know this?

Same way you claim to know. By virtue of the Holy Spirit silly.

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15-10-2015, 04:57 PM
RE: CNN Democratic Debate
(15-10-2015 10:38 AM)kineo Wrote:  What "stuff" is he asking you to give up and give to others? As a rich person, you're expected to pay your taxes, just like everyone else. We are already in a democratic socialist state. It's not the boogeyman you seem to think it is.
I was not talking about taxes.
Sanders said that it is morally wrong when while some are too rich others are too poor.
I want to know why it is morally wrong and how does he know that it is morally wrong.
Socialists Sanders wants to be a president. He wants to distribute wealth according to his understanding of what morally right is.
He invites me to vote for him. What if he is wrong and his understanding of "morally right" is wrong? I want to make right choice. I want to know how does he know what "morally right" is.
(15-10-2015 10:38 AM)kineo Wrote:  So, what is your proposal for how we handle taxes?
Again, I didn't talk about taxes but because you asked I will tell you what fair is according to my moral standards.
Everybody pays fair share of 10%. If you are poor you pay less. If you are rich you pay more. If your income is zero you pay zero taxes.

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