CRAP! Suspicions confirmed. Nephew being taught junk "science".

[Vosur]

(02-01-2013 03:29 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 03:23 PM)Vosur Wrote:  Unless, of course, you're not a Calvinist.

Everyone's a Calvinist. Some just don't know it.

Oh yeah? Actually, everyone's an atheist and they don't know it (yet).

Checkmate, KC!

[Chas]

(02-01-2013 03:29 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 03:23 PM)Vosur Wrote:  Unless, of course, you're not a Calvinist.

Everyone's a Calvinist. Some just don't know it.

No one's actually a Calvinist since Calvinism's just crazy talk.

[kingschosen]

(02-01-2013 03:36 PM)Vosur Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 03:29 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  Everyone's a Calvinist. Some just don't know it.

Oh yeah? Actually, everyone's an atheist and they don't know it (yet).

Checkmate, KC!

Well, you know what? Actually, everyone is in a computer simulation and just doesn't know it.

Flips over chess board, Vosur!

[Phaedrus]

Actually everyone is a tiny, insignificant speck of self-aware carbon with delusions of grandeur, existing mere moments on this tiny, damp ball of iron and silica, before vanishing, extinguished, disappearing suddenly into the cold, empty dark.

[Vosur]

(02-01-2013 03:53 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  Well, you know what? Actually, everyone is in a computer simulation and just doesn't know it.

Flips over chess board, Vosur!

[Chas]

(02-01-2013 03:57 PM)Phaedrus Wrote:  Actually everyone is a tiny, insignificant speck of self-aware carbon with delusions of grandeur, existing mere moments on this tiny, damp ball of iron and silica, before vanishing, extinguished, disappearing suddenly into the cold, empty dark.

And damned proud of it.

[DeavonReye]

The Matrix was truly a revolutionary movie. I see SO many hard core christians [and other religions, too, but for this post, we'll just focus on christians] who are well defined by the famous quote from Morpheus:

"The Matrix [or in this case religion] is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save [with reason]. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inert, so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it."

So to say "everyone is a Calvinist" . . . . or those who say "everyone believes in god", are like "those people who fight to protect The Matrix". We who recognize reality are those who "took the red pill". Is would be those defenders of YEC [without ANY reason other than their own personal beliefs] who are "hopelessly dependent" upon their faith being right, else they are lost.

It really is a fantastic movie full of all sorts of imagery.

[Phaedrus]

So if KC's worldview is based on the Matrix, is Egor's based on the Truman Show?

[Hafnof]

The Calvanist god is not worthy of worship. Most Christian gods are sufficiently detached from the world that although logically inconsistent with the world they are at least in principle good and worthy. The Calvanist god is what happens when you square God with reality and the Bible without inconsistency. He's the god that earmarks everyone from birth to eternal torture on his whim, and skims off a statistically insignificant number to enslave in the other eternal torture - eternal worship.
Sure, it's logically consistent... but Satan would be by far more worthy of worship.

[ReasonQuest]

This is my first post to this forum. Just want to say my sister and brother in law work for a Christian Missianary organization, and home schooled their kids. The last time I visited them about 3 years ago (we live 3000 miles apart) they had a world history timeline hanging on the wall going back 7000 years to the creation of the earth and dinosaurs. I did take my nephew and niece to a real Science Museum one time and there was a replicas of the Lucy fossil. My nephew told me it was fake, and carbon dating is inaccurate. I told him that things in a real science museum have to go through an intensive review process, but left it there.

Anyway, at the time I was still not quite given up on faith, and this was one of the things that kind of pushed me over the edge. If my own sister could become this much of a fundamentalist (after growing up in a more liberal mainline Protestant church), I didn't want this to happen to my kids. My mom had also brought some Intellegent Design videos to show my kids when she came to visit a few years ago.. I didn't let my kids watch it, and it wasn't long after that I came out to my wife as a non believer.

I'm about the same age as Seth and can really relate a lot to his journey. I'll try to post more about my coming out of faith story to another thread.

Regarding how I deal with my neice and nephew, so far my sister has been great since I told them I was no longer a Christian. I'd rather have a good relationship with them that to instigate arguments, and I'll respect their right as parents to teach their kids. If I am asked questions, I'll give honest answers. But since I don't live nearby, I don't have much contact to begin with.