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14-12-2012, 02:47 PM (This post was last modified: 14-12-2012 02:52 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: CT shooting 20+ dead.
(14-12-2012 01:18 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(14-12-2012 12:52 PM)lucradis Wrote:  There should be police assigned to every single elementary school every day of the year. Period.
We can't always stop people so fucked up that they would kill children, but we have to try. This shit is why I don't want my kid to go to school. I'm not worried about kids picking on her, I'm worried that some asshole with a gun will shoot her at random.

Maybe there should be at least one administrator armed and trained in every school.

Although my High School alma mater now has an armed Police Officer assigned to it, don't think it's necessary if every school just had a trained "Behavior Management Specialist" like ManlyBro. Currently he rotates between schools for the incorrigible. Bro might've taken a few .223 rounds but as long as they weren't to his head (hell, maybe even if they were to his head), he'd've gotten to the motherfucker and "managed his behavior" until the cops arrived. That's what he does.

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Every school I ever went to, whether parochial or public, from Elementary through University, had someone on duty whose sole function was to monitor the perimeter and ensure the safety of its occupants. Maybe every jurisdiction should always assume the worst and model its school security measures after PG County, Maryland.

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14-12-2012, 03:00 PM
RE: CT shooting 20+ dead.
(14-12-2012 02:38 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Agreed on the information issue but what "most deadly things" are you talking about? Cigarettes kill a hell of a lot more people than guns, traffic accidents, or alcohol. But they kill the people using them. Guns are used to kill OTHER people. Traffic accidents can kill OTHER people. Alcohol tends to be like cigarettes, unless the person combines it with alcohol or driving and then it affects OTHER people.

Did prohibition work? No. But we aren't talking about comparable things here. Is the war on drugs working? No, but we still aren't comparing the same thing. And assault rifles are not the only problem. It's not like those are the only ones that are capable of killing someone.
Pick anything that kills more people then guns.

And assault rifles are a 0 problem. Since 1934, 2 legally owned assault rifles have been used in a crime, and 1 was by a Ohio cop.

If you were going to ban the highest used firearms in crime, it would be cheap small caliber pistols and 12ga pumps,but those don't look scary and exotic.
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14-12-2012, 05:43 PM
RE: CT shooting 20+ dead.
I wouldn't want the administration armed. However I'm all for learning self defense as a tool for prevention.
However I would also pay more taxes to have a police officer at every single school. I don't see anything wrong with that.

I'm so glad I got to spend the day with my kid today.

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14-12-2012, 06:46 PM
RE: CT shooting 20+ dead.
Most schools have locked doors, procedures in place, etc. A crazy, broken, sick man can find/make destruction, no matter what the law says. I'm not convinced that even having a cop present would have done anything except sacrifice a cop.

Although, I'm concerned for my own mental health if another person invokes their god about it. "Thank God more weren't hurt," "God is with the families," "I'll keep them in my prayers," I could just puke. It is a HUMAN tragedy and I'd like to be able to mourn it as such.

It isn't about any god, today we all lost, all failed, all were hurt. We failed to ensure mental health care was readily available, failed to proactively protect our most vulnerable, and we all hurt with the loss of 20 little kids and the 6 (or 7) adults he killed before taking his own life.
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14-12-2012, 07:11 PM
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I fucking hate when shit like this happens...not only the senseless loss of life but it's a reminder of that day nearly two years ago when a young lady I loved like a daughter was murdered by her husband before he shot himself. He snapped...there really wasn't any warning that he was in such a state of mind. Two bloody deaths with a 3 year old in the next room eating a bowl of cereal and watching TV while the other kids were starting their school day.

Hearing about this opens old wounds and reminds me that we never know what will happen or when and even seemingly sane people can go over the edge.

My heart still aches when I think of Tori and her kids...I really can empathize with what those families are going through. It's a hurt that cuts to the bone, a wound that never heals.

FUCK, FUCK, FUCK!!!

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14-12-2012, 08:03 PM
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(14-12-2012 07:11 PM)Anjele Wrote:  I fucking hate when shit like this happens...not only the senseless loss of life but it's a reminder of that day nearly two years ago when a young lady I loved like a daughter was murdered by her husband before he shot himself. He snapped...there really wasn't any warning that he was in such a state of mind. Two bloody deaths with a 3 year old in the next room eating a bowl of cereal and watching TV while the other kids were starting their school day.

Hearing about this opens old wounds and reminds me that we never know what will happen or when and even seemingly sane people can go over the edge.

My heart still aches when I think of Tori and her kids...I really can empathize with what those families are going through. It's a hurt that cuts to the bone, a wound that never heals.

FUCK, FUCK, FUCK!!!

I'm so sorry. I'm a domestic violence survivor and stories like that make my blood freeze and my heart hurt.
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14-12-2012, 08:39 PM
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Maybe having a cop there wouldn't have helped in this one instance, but I can attest to a police presence at schools having a positive impact. It's a deterrent to larger crimes. We had a constable on duty at my high school every day. I knew him quite well as I used to fight a lot. He was a good man, and I know for a fact that he prevented larger scale crime just by his very presence.

If an officer dies protecting kids and even manages to prevent one child from dying... it sucks that the officer died, but Id bet you they would rather they got it then the child. Besides, police are trained to deal with hostile armed people. Teachers aren't. Nor should they be. They are there to teach, not do battle with gunmen.

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14-12-2012, 08:48 PM
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If I tried very hard, I could understand the mindset of someone who shoots a gun into a crowded room. I could probably even understand. But to shoot children, that is just incomprehensible. It takes a special kind of monster to do that.

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14-12-2012, 09:21 PM
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(14-12-2012 08:03 PM)ScienceGeek2587 Wrote:  
(14-12-2012 07:11 PM)Anjele Wrote:  I fucking hate when shit like this happens...not only the senseless loss of life but it's a reminder of that day nearly two years ago when a young lady I loved like a daughter was murdered by her husband before he shot himself. He snapped...there really wasn't any warning that he was in such a state of mind. Two bloody deaths with a 3 year old in the next room eating a bowl of cereal and watching TV while the other kids were starting their school day.

Hearing about this opens old wounds and reminds me that we never know what will happen or when and even seemingly sane people can go over the edge.

My heart still aches when I think of Tori and her kids...I really can empathize with what those families are going through. It's a hurt that cuts to the bone, a wound that never heals.

FUCK, FUCK, FUCK!!!

I'm so sorry. I'm a domestic violence survivor and stories like that make my blood freeze and my heart hurt.
I apologize, I didn't mean to trigger. I needed to rant and should have thought first. I am very glad you got out...I have been there too...perhaps that's why it strikes so hard.

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14-12-2012, 09:59 PM
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(14-12-2012 02:45 PM)Impulse Wrote:  
(14-12-2012 01:36 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  And the conversation on gun control will be glossed over yet again. I am all for my constitutional rights, but not at the expense of people like this getting their hands on them.
I agree with some level of gun control, but only to a point. I don't see why the average person needs anything more than single shot guns for self-defense, hunting, or otherwise. Eliminating the semi and fully automatics could cut at least down on the carnage in situations like this school shooting. But some people will still get their hands on them so it isn't the cure-all either. And I certainly wouldn't eliminate guns completely because that would just mean only the criminals would have them.
Seriously want to defend yourself with a single shot weapon? When you might miss, or the assailant might keep coming? One bullet doesn't always stop an attacker, one bullet doesn't always kill the bear.

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