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13-12-2013, 09:48 AM
RE: California Cross coming down
(13-12-2013 08:21 AM)Bows and Arrows Wrote:  California Landmark Cross ordered to come down in 90 days



every time I see these articles it makes me feel like the US has taken a baby step in the right direction. And WTF happened in the 1950's? Seems like when God got plastered all over America……on the money, in the pledge, statues…. sheesh.

Much of this was from the anti-communism of the cold war. The commies were godless. God was added to the pledge in the mid fifties.

There are times, when I think people thought a Soviet agent here commiting espionage would never say the words "under god" and they'd catch him.Drinking Beverage

The money was in the 1800's (shortly after the civil war if I recall my history correctly).

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13-12-2013, 09:51 AM
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I don't know. Monuments are there for subsequent generations, legacies of history. When atheism has taken over (and it will) it will be an object of curiosity and history lessons.

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13-12-2013, 09:57 AM
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(13-12-2013 09:51 AM)Dom Wrote:  I don't know. Monuments are there for subsequent generations, legacies of history. When atheism has taken over (and it will) it will be an object of curiosity and history lessons.

The site is supposed to be a Korean war memorial (or maybe just a veterans memorial). They could erect something else that would be more appropriate, a soldier statue or something, and keep the memorial open for future generations.


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13-12-2013, 09:58 AM
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(13-12-2013 09:57 AM)Bows and Arrows Wrote:  
(13-12-2013 09:51 AM)Dom Wrote:  I don't know. Monuments are there for subsequent generations, legacies of history. When atheism has taken over (and it will) it will be an object of curiosity and history lessons.

The site is supposed to be a Korean war memorial (or maybe just a veterans memorial). They could erect something else that would be more appropriate, a soldier statue or something, and keep the memorial open for future generations.

Oh, that's different, if it's a memorial.

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13-12-2013, 10:01 AM
RE: California Cross coming down
(13-12-2013 09:58 AM)Dom Wrote:  
(13-12-2013 09:57 AM)Bows and Arrows Wrote:  The site is supposed to be a Korean war memorial (or maybe just a veterans memorial). They could erect something else that would be more appropriate, a soldier statue or something, and keep the memorial open for future generations.

Oh, that's different, if it's a memorial.

Soledad Memorial


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13-12-2013, 10:52 AM
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Well, we're gonna need to get started on these pretty quick.

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13-12-2013, 11:00 AM
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(13-12-2013 09:51 AM)Dom Wrote:  I don't know. Monuments are there for subsequent generations, legacies of history. When atheism has taken over (and it will) it will be an object of curiosity and history lessons.

I hope so. But at the same time I always worry a bit because something's always lost when something's gained.


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13-12-2013, 11:16 AM
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(13-12-2013 10:52 AM)evenheathen Wrote:  Well, we're gonna need to get started on these pretty quick.

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I think eventually it will be challenged….unless each one of those graves are actually documented christian soldiers.

My father died almost 1 year ago (Dec 15), he & my Mom are interred in one of the newer National Cemeteries. There is a list of markers that you can choose from (including humanist and atheist) to have engraved on the headstone. I imagine when the day comes that they are challenged, they will be swapped out for the newer ones. Here's a photo of what they look like.
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13-12-2013, 11:17 AM
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(13-12-2013 09:46 AM)Bows and Arrows Wrote:  on the wikipedia page (I know…I know)….it sounds like this cross has been doomed from the get-go.

Quote:Three differently shaped Christian crosses have been constructed since 1913 on City government property at the apex of Mt. Soledad (Mt. Soledad Natural Park) in the community of La Jolla.

The original wooden cross on Mt. Soledad was erected in 1913 by private citizens living in La Jolla and Pacific Beach, but was stolen in 1923; later that year it was affixed back in the ground in Mt. Soledad Natural Park and later burned.

The second cross was erected in 1934 by a private group of Protestant Christians from La Jolla and Pacific Beach. This sturdier, stucco-over-wood frame cross was blown down by blustery winds in 1952.

The third cross, 29 feet (9 m) tall on top of a 14-foot (4 m)-tall stepped platform, was installed in 1954. It still stands today. A windstorm damaged one of the flimsily constructed cross members in 1955 and the concrete structure had to be repaired.

Here's a photo. Its on the highest point in La Jolla overlooking the town.
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What a fucking eye-sore.

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13-12-2013, 11:26 AM
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I want the infinity one....

http://www.cem.va.gov/hmm/emblems.asp


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