Can God change his mind?
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21-01-2013, 10:09 AM
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RE: Can God change his mind?
(21-01-2013 10:07 AM)kingschosen Wrote:Prayer has always included the sense of asking for approval and direction and blessing and success from the gods; that's not something new.(21-01-2013 09:45 AM)Chas Wrote: If not, then prayer would seem useless.Prayer as commonly understood - yes. Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims. Science is not a subject, but a method. ![]() |
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21-01-2013, 10:32 AM
(This post was last modified: 21-01-2013 10:35 AM by Julius.)
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RE: Can God change his mind?
(21-01-2013 10:07 AM)kingschosen Wrote:(21-01-2013 09:45 AM)Chas Wrote: If not, then prayer would seem useless.Prayer as commonly understood - yes. I think the Biblical God would disagree with you about the nature of prayer: Matthew 7: 8 “For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.9“Or what man is there among you who, when his son asks for a loaf, will give him a stone?10“Or if he asks for a fish, he will not give him a snake, will he?11“If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give what is good to those who ask Him!” Mark 11:22 Have faith in God,” Jesus answered. 23 “Truly, I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and does not doubt in their heart but believes that what they say will happen, it will be done for them. 24 Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. Dude...I thought you were a Christian? Don't you know this stuff? |
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21-01-2013, 10:35 AM
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RE: Can God change his mind?
(21-01-2013 09:25 AM)kingschosen Wrote: Yes and no. Now, can God make a rock he cannot lift? "IN THRUST WE TRUST" "We were conservative Jews and that meant we obeyed God's Commandments until His rules became a royal pain in the ass." - Joel Chastnoff, The 188th Crybaby Brigade |
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21-01-2013, 10:41 AM
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RE: Can God change his mind?
Yeah. God commands us to come to Him with our concerns and wants; however, that doesn't mean we're going to get it. He wants us to come to Him so He can have fellowship with us and reveal to us what He's doing.
I'm saying the common thought process of God as a wish genie is wholly incorrect. Going to God with our desires is a form of fellowship and can even be a form of discipline. ![]() |
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21-01-2013, 10:45 AM
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RE: Can God change his mind?
(21-01-2013 10:35 AM)Carlo_The_Bugsmasher_Driver Wrote:That was to be my next question...(21-01-2013 09:25 AM)kingschosen Wrote: Yes and no. Obama promised you change. Reach in your pocket, feel those coins? There's your change... |
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23-01-2013, 12:25 PM
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RE: Can God change his mind?
(21-01-2013 10:45 AM)DeathsNotoriousAngel Wrote:Do I really need to address the God-Rock Paradox for eleventy billionth time?(21-01-2013 10:35 AM)Carlo_The_Bugsmasher_Driver Wrote: Now, can God make a rock he cannot lift?That was to be my next question... ![]() |
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23-01-2013, 12:29 PM
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RE: Can God change his mind?
Hey.
Just on the rock question, I can't remember where but we had a long talk about it. To speak to the conclusions that I drew from the conversation, an omnipotent being can do anything, even the impossible and that includes creating a paradox. So yes, he could theoretically make a rock too heavy for him to lift. Peace and Love and Empathy, Matt |
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23-01-2013, 12:33 PM
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RE: Can God change his mind?
(23-01-2013 12:25 PM)kingschosen Wrote: Do I really need to address the God-Rock Paradox for eleventy billionth time? ![]() ![]() |
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23-01-2013, 12:46 PM
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RE: Can God change his mind?
See, it's really quite simple.
God is omniscient. That means he knows everything, past, present, and future. If you say otherwise, then you're limiting god's omniscience. The word by definition means there is no limit to his knowledge, so you can't limit omniscience, therefore by definition, he knows the future. All of it. And he always has, even before he said "Let there be light". Which means everything he's ever done has been according to his plan with full fore-knowledge of the consequences of every act, no matter how minuscule. Therefore he did not do anything without already accepting that the outcome was what he wanted. Knowing that, it's easy to see that god never has any reason to change his mind because everything in the universe today was exactly the way he wanted it to be all those billions of years ago (or 6,000 years ago) when he created the universe. If you pray to him to make your sick aunt get better, he won't change his mind because she's supposed to be sick. He knew she would have this illness even before he created the universe and it's all part of his plan. No reason to change his mind. Etc. As for the bible saying we should only ask it it will be given, the "ask" part of that passage has nothing to do with prayer, but rather it means "ask" in the bigger picture, as in accepting Jesus as your savior and God as your father, opening your heart to the holy trinity, etc. That is how you ask. And for him who asks all is given. Blah blah. Easy to see, easy to justify. That's why it's thrived for two millennia with no end in sight. Insidious, isn't it? "Whores perform the same function as priests, but far more thoroughly." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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