Can God create a six sided pentagon?
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30-10-2012, 09:55 AM
RE: Can God create a six sided pentagon?
(30-10-2012 09:53 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(29-10-2012 09:37 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Actually, as I see it, if a god HAS to 'follow Logic", (whatever that means), it actually proves that god is not god.

If there is a structure in Reality "apart" from god, against which the god can be compared, or measured, of necessity, it means that god is not the creator of ALL of Reality. ((If a standard (of *godness*) exists which is necessary for god, the god is not god.) ...where did the standard come from ?

Logic does not "exist" *out there* somewhere. It's a human system which exists in some human brains. many things which we perceive as logical, are not true. Thus human logic is not reliable.

Nah. Logic is mathematics is physics. It all exists and is objective truth.

Prove it.

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30-10-2012, 03:38 PM
RE: Can God create a six sided pentagon?
(30-10-2012 09:53 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(29-10-2012 09:37 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Actually, as I see it, if a god HAS to 'follow Logic", (whatever that means), it actually proves that god is not god.

If there is a structure in Reality "apart" from god, against which the god can be compared, or measured, of necessity, it means that god is not the creator of ALL of Reality. ((If a standard (of *godness*) exists which is necessary for god, the god is not god.) ...where did the standard come from ?

Logic does not "exist" *out there* somewhere. It's a human system which exists in some human brains. many things which we perceive as logical, are not true. Thus human logic is not reliable.

Nah. Logic is mathematics is physics. It all exists and is objective truth.

Would Logic have told you something can be in two places at once, or that there is no absolute linear time, or that Dirac Spinors make sense, or that an action in the present can influence the past ?

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30-10-2012, 06:49 PM
RE: Can God create a six sided pentagon?
(29-10-2012 04:19 PM)Starcrash Wrote:  It is an axiom (a rule of logic) that if two things are mutually exclusive, that the things belonging to both sets is null (nothing).

Perhaps this axiom is sometimes wrong in real world. The only reason why logic with this axiom is developed is because we find it useful in our daily life. But it may be wrong sometimes somewhere.

(30-10-2012 03:38 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Would Logic have told you something can be in two places at once, or that there is no absolute linear time, or that Dirac Spinors make sense, or that an action in the present can influence the past ?

Dont mess logic with common sense. These are 2 totally different things.

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30-10-2012, 06:53 PM
RE: Can God create a six sided pentagon?
(24-10-2012 04:01 PM)Theist_Typing Wrote:  So if He made a pentagon that had six sides it would be a hexagon. Right? Right! So, He couldn’t do it. Right? No way! So God almighty is not the limitless entity that many religions say He is. Hmmm, maybe I should become an atheist. Man that guilt free living would be so GREAT!

You guys are so clever. God can’t even make a brunette into a red head because she wouldn’t be a brunette anymore. Right!

Wait a minute, a $15.00 bottle of Clairol can turn that brunette into a head turning red head. Hmm. Something cannot be two contradictory things at once. When the definitions of the words collide, actions can seem impossible. Right?

So let’s simplify, a pentagon is really a five sided polygon. The word pentagon is really an adjective “pent” ( five ) joined with the noun “polygon” (a two dimensional shape with straight sides). The question restated: Can God make a five (penta) sided polygon into a six (hex) sided polygon? Heck, give me a pencil, piece of paper, and an eraser, I could do that for ya.

Words are often too limiting or too broad. The Greeks used the word sophistry to describe seemingly insolvable word play. Our thoughts and ideas are formed in words. Words can make problems seem unsolvable. If there is a God,or God-like thinking it would be pure thought, not concepts or ideas clumsily cobbled together from clanky, imprecise words. Words colored by history, personal associations, and personal experiences.

You will find sometimes 5 or 10 different definitions listed beside a word. Definitions often vary between Webster, American Heritage, and Funk & Wagnall’s dictionaries. There are billions of words written every year arguing over the definitions of socialism, communism, fascism, and capitalism. Still the meanings are confusing.

The words and their “colored” meaning are the tools of wordsmiths who write poetry, dogma, and occasionally a little truth.

Getting past the words, to clearly see the concept - that's real understanding.


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You can not direct the wind
But you can adjust your sails

Yep, God can do it. So can you.

Create a geometric figure that has 5 sides.

Call it a pentagon.

End of discussion.

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30-10-2012, 08:13 PM
RE: Can God create a six sided pentagon?
(30-10-2012 06:49 PM)Troll Wrote:  
(29-10-2012 04:19 PM)Starcrash Wrote:  It is an axiom (a rule of logic) that if two things are mutually exclusive, that the things belonging to both sets is null (nothing).

Perhaps this axiom is sometimes wrong in real world. The only reason why logic with this axiom is developed is because we find it useful in our daily life. But it may be wrong sometimes somewhere.

This is why I keep trying to promote skepticism. Sure, we can assume that there are places and times that logic doesn't apply -- but why would we? We've never experienced exceptions to logic, or a place where logic doesn't apply, or a case of cheating logic. So why should we assume it's possible?

Again, this goes back to begging the question. The only reason anyone would assume that logic is flexible is to make exceptions to things that logic would disprove.

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30-10-2012, 09:03 PM
RE: Can God create a six sided pentagon?
(30-10-2012 08:13 PM)Starcrash Wrote:  This is why I keep trying to promote skepticism. Sure, we can assume that there are places and times that logic doesn't apply -- but why would we? We've never experienced exceptions to logic, or a place where logic doesn't apply, or a case of cheating logic. So why should we assume it's possible?

Again, this goes back to begging the question. The only reason anyone would assume that logic is flexible is to make exceptions to things that logic would disprove.

What we re talking about here is whether god who can do everything he likes is possible. If we prove he s impossible, theists will have to change their definition of god (like they already did 1000 times Big Grin), if we prove god s possible we re still million miles away from proving that he actually exists.

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