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10-08-2017, 03:16 PM
RE: Can a conservative be an atheist?
(10-08-2017 03:07 PM)morondog Wrote:  
(10-08-2017 02:50 PM)Szuchow Wrote:  So let's stick with rote repetition. Less risk of heresy that way.

I thought that was Marxist-Leninist thought Tongue

Depends on whose book you consult. Martin Malia and Andrzej Walicki see it as something legitimate if I recall correctly. Maybe Marx thought taken to logical extreme*. Obviously however it isn't position that is met with universal approval.

*Marx concept of freedom was deeply different from liberal one, nor was he man concerned with real working class [Andrzej Walicki, "Marxism and the Leap to the Kingdom of Freedom"].

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10-08-2017, 03:41 PM (This post was last modified: 10-08-2017 05:15 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Can a conservative be an atheist?
Justice Scalia (when interviewed by Piers Morgan) said we have a right to what is reasonable, (then went on to say he consulted the Federalist Papers). Laugh out load
People called him a conservative. LOL Depends of who's defining what "conservative" means ? If it means preserving that which is valuable, it will always be personal opinion. If it's just a buzz-word for Evangelical, then "no".

The US is one of the lowest taxed nations in the world, and we have the society that arises from that. We take crappy care of many of the most in need.
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-...nationally

People who derive great advantage from the stable and transparent institutions of a society, on which their (sometimes great) wealth is built, and without them iwould be impossible,
ought to be paying their (greater) share for those institutions.

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10-08-2017, 04:03 PM
RE: Can a conservative be an atheist?
(10-08-2017 02:08 PM)reeveseb Wrote:  Just wondering...many prominent atheist that I observe online or follow tend to be liberal with progressive ideas. Not taking into account the fact that a majority of conservatives are religious, do you by necessity, have to be more liberal than conservative to be an atheist?

Maybe I'm not as conservative as I thought I was, but I believe in small government, less regulations, fewer entitlements, personal responsibility, lower personal/corporate taxes, strong national defense, stricter border and immigration enforcement, a free market (capitalism) and other standard core conservative beliefs. However, I also believe in some traditional liberal values including gay rights (same-sex marriage), a woman's right to choose, the right to euthanasia, legalizing drugs, and some others.

People that I admire like Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins and others seem to fall squarely in the liberal camp, but I can't find it in myself to join them in the majority of their political beliefs. I feel a bit like a fish out of water.

You sound more centrist than conservative. You didn't mention the environment - that might be the turning point.

I am centrist on the liberal side. However, I cannot believe in personal responsibility. People will drop like flies if left to their own devices. They often have no devices (education, self discipline). And I definitely don't think that climate change is a hoax, so some regulation is necessary.

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10-08-2017, 04:18 PM
RE: Can a conservative be an atheist?
(10-08-2017 02:50 PM)Old Man Marsh Wrote:  Smaller government? As in an absolute monarchy?

There's a wide swath of options between where we are now and a monarchy. I think our government is the problem in a lot of cases. Who is the Supreme Court, the legislature, or the President to tell people how to make live in their bedroom or whether same sex people can marry? Our government should reduce back to national defense, promoting capitalism, and getting out of the way in most cases. The EPA is a joke as currently constituted, the Department of Education is complicit in dumbing down our voting citizens (by design?), and so on. They are bloated and inefficient at best.

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10-08-2017, 04:19 PM
RE: Can a conservative be an atheist?
(10-08-2017 02:08 PM)reeveseb Wrote:  Just wondering...many prominent atheist that I observe online or follow tend to be liberal with progressive ideas. Not taking into account the fact that a majority of conservatives are religious, do you by necessity, have to be more liberal than conservative to be an atheist?

Maybe I'm not as conservative as I thought I was, but I believe in small government, less regulations, fewer entitlements, personal responsibility, lower personal/corporate taxes, strong national defense, stricter border and immigration enforcement, a free market (capitalism) and other standard core conservative beliefs. However, I also believe in some traditional liberal values including gay rights (same-sex marriage), a woman's right to choose, the right to euthanasia, legalizing drugs, and some others.

People that I admire like Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins and others seem to fall squarely in the liberal camp, but I can't find it in myself to join them in the majority of their political beliefs. I feel a bit like a fish out of water.
The answer to your question is a resounding YES! An atheist can be conservative, and in my opinion, SHOULD be conservative. I agree nearly 100% with your own political positions, but I would say that what you describe is more libertarian/classical liberal views. Those are all labels I accept as well, but in the spirit of being a contrarian to today's liberals, I like to identify as a conservative.

I would just add, though, that my conservative leanings are largely a rejection of the progressive (or regressive) liberal climate that seems to have emerged in the past few years. This cultural-marxist, PC-culture, social justice warrior, 3rd-wave feminist, Islamic-sympathizing, turn that liberalism has taken in the past decade. I cannot and WILL NOT consider myself among their numbers. Some good examples of their stupidity are the deplatfroming of Richard Dawkins by UC Berkeley due to his opinions on Islam, the firing of an engineer from Google who sent out a memo to the company containing a very cogent and well-reasoned representation of his views on the company's diversity quotas, their left leanings, and why he feels that men tend to excel more at some occupations, and why recruiting women as a means of having "equality" and "diversity" is not a good philosophy if you want to be successful.

There are countless other examples of far-left stupidity. Many of today's liberals, for instance, absolutely love to disparage white, male, Americans, calling them "sexist", "homophobic", "bigoted". They also love to bring Christianity to shame for the same offenses. Yet, when you mention that Islam also has problems with misogyny, homophobia, and other forms of hate, you are branded a "bigot", a "racist", a "xenophobe", etc. Today's left does not know how to "liberal well". They have everything ass backwards.

I could go on and on and on regarding the idiocy of today's far left, but I think you get my point. The positions and worldview they've decided to take has forced me to become more centrist, and even conservative on many things. They've gone off the deep end, and hopefully they will crash and burn soon so we can rebuild the left into something much better and more rational.
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10-08-2017, 04:28 PM
RE: Can a conservative be an atheist?
Ah, yeah, the horrific plight of the cis white 'murrican. My heart bleeds for him. Drinking Beverage

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10-08-2017, 04:29 PM
RE: Can a conservative be an atheist?
(10-08-2017 04:03 PM)Dom Wrote:  
(10-08-2017 02:08 PM)reeveseb Wrote:  Just wondering...many prominent atheist that I observe online or follow tend to be liberal with progressive ideas. Not taking into account the fact that a majority of conservatives are religious, do you by necessity, have to be more liberal than conservative to be an atheist?

Maybe I'm not as conservative as I thought I was, but I believe in small government, less regulations, fewer entitlements, personal responsibility, lower personal/corporate taxes, strong national defense, stricter border and immigration enforcement, a free market (capitalism) and other standard core conservative beliefs. However, I also believe in some traditional liberal values including gay rights (same-sex marriage), a woman's right to choose, the right to euthanasia, legalizing drugs, and some others.

People that I admire like Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins and others seem to fall squarely in the liberal camp, but I can't find it in myself to join them in the majority of their political beliefs. I feel a bit like a fish out of water.

You sound more centrist than conservative. You didn't mention the environment - that might be the turning point.

I am centrist on the liberal side. However, I cannot believe in personal responsibility. People will drop like flies if left to their own devices. They often have no devices (education, self discipline). And I definitely don't think that climate change is a hoax, so some regulation is necessary.

Personal responsibility is a cornerstone of a successful nation. The more dependent we are on government, the more intrusive they're going to become. Those who don't pull their weight because they are lazy and allow others to take care of them by the force of a gun (government) are parasites. There are legitimate cases where people need help. But is it the government's responsibility? Plenty of charities offer hands up to those in need. I just don't believe people should be rewarded for choosing to take and not give.

Climate change is happening, I agree with that. But I believe the Earth cycles and man has little if anything to do with it. I think if all emissions disappeared and all regulations we're enacted, it wouldn't have an impact. The Earth has cycled through hot and cold several times and it will again long after humans have been gone. That's just my opinion though. I've certainly been wrong before!!!

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10-08-2017, 04:37 PM
RE: Can a conservative be an atheist?
(10-08-2017 02:56 PM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  This is just my Catholic opinion, but while a lot of atheists I encounter tend to lean "liberal", I fail to see why there can't be atheists who lean "conservative". Atheism is, after all, just a lack of belief in a deity.

You're right. I guess I was asking because I don't know many conservative atheists. Probably because the vast majority of conservatives are religious, at least in my experience.

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10-08-2017, 04:46 PM
RE: Can a conservative be an atheist?
It always amuses me when Americans think they must put labels on themselves because they only have two political parties. Conservative or liberal, right or left, black or white. You know, you can have your own opinions and no labels. You don't have to conform to a single ideology. Is it that scary?

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10-08-2017, 04:51 PM
RE: Can a conservative be an atheist?
(10-08-2017 04:29 PM)reeveseb Wrote:  Personal responsibility is a cornerstone of a successful nation. The more dependent we are on government, the more intrusive they're going to become. Those who don't pull their weight because they are lazy and allow others to take care of them by the force of a gun (government) are parasites. There are legitimate cases where people need help. But is it the government's responsibility? Plenty of charities offer hands up to those in need. I just don't believe people should be rewarded for choosing to take and not give.

So, if you hand all the people 100 bucks for health insurance, how many do you expect to spend it on health insurance?

So when the uninsured get sick, who pays for it? We do, that's right, at outrageous prices.

I suppose I just don't believe in people's ability to act rational most of the time. I am not talking about lazy. Very few people are too lazy to make a living. They just give up - either because it's too hard to find a job, or because they can't mentally compete.

I am not for supporting "lazy" people - I am for training them and putting them in jobs. What are you going to do about them? A life of crime? Suicide? Jail them all in the first place? They exist, one can't just ignore them or can you?

I don't think that the politics are the core issue, to me the core issue is emotion driven mammals without education.

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