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12-05-2015, 04:23 PM
RE: Can anyone explain how this wasn't God?
(12-05-2015 02:14 PM)Shinosky Wrote:  
(12-05-2015 01:58 PM)morondog Wrote:  I hope one day you realize what an utter fool you are.

Of course I realize I am a fool. I'm open to suggestions on how to be wise. My one stipulation is that it has biblical backed.

??? Could you repeat that in English?
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12-05-2015, 04:35 PM
RE: Can anyone explain how this wasn't God?
Yep. Gotta be Poe.
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12-05-2015, 09:00 PM
RE: Can anyone explain how this wasn't God?
(12-05-2015 02:42 PM)Shinosky Wrote:  Devalue human beings? That is your thinking of the way you perceive of the way I think. Think about it. Your logic is weak. I don't expect you to agree me...lol In fact you shouldn't agree with me. I'm the lowest of the low. One of the worst sinners out there. But, I don't need you to feel better about myself.

No no no no no: when you begin a conversation by asserting that you do not care what your interlocutors say, and will not consider a word of it seriously, then you are devaluing human beings. You are devaluing us when you assert that we have nothing of value to say, where it disagrees with what you already believe, you devalue us when you say you won't listen, but we have to listen to you. You devalue us, when you dictate to us what our positions are.

When you come here and act like we have nothing of value to add to this conversation, when you won't even consider it a real exchange of ideas, when you treat us like pawns in your preaching game rather than real people, you are devaluing us.

Quote:All I ask is for someone to correlate the quantum world with the astro world. The small world with the big world problem the greatest minds have not solved yet. That big giant question mark looming over everyone's heads. Otherwise - it doesn't matter how smarter you are than me - which btw - you all blow me out of the water when it comes to intelligence. Well, maybe not everybody. I think I'm smarter than morondog....Wink

So essentially your grand idea here is an argument from ignorance. Wonderful. Facepalm
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13-05-2015, 05:23 AM
RE: Can anyone explain how this wasn't God?
(12-05-2015 02:44 PM)Shinosky Wrote:  
(12-05-2015 02:25 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  Proverbs 8:5
O naive ones, understand prudence;
And, O fools, understand wisdom.

Job 11:12
An idiot will become intelligent
When the foal of a wild donkey is born a man.

Thanks! I needed that today.

Have you considered laminin?

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Or some other molecular substance for brain imbalance?

Gods derive their power from post-hoc rationalizations. -The Inquisition

Using the supernatural to explain events in your life is a failure of the intellect to comprehend the world around you. -The Inquisition
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13-05-2015, 02:47 PM
RE: Can anyone explain how this wasn't God?
(12-05-2015 02:14 PM)Shinosky Wrote:  ... I realize I am a fool. I'm open to suggestions on how to be wise. My one stipulation is that it has biblical backed.

You stipulate that the suggestion "has Biblical backed"? Are you aware that that statement has no grammatical meaning? It doesn't actually say anything.

I will assume that you mean that you want suggestions that have Biblical backing.

And therein lies the problem: You rely on a book which is an anthology, assembled some 1500 years ago, of writings that date from three thousand years ago up to maybe the time of its collection. It was written by people who did not understand the mechanics of rainfall or even the breeding of cattle.

Side note: Farmers contemporaneous with the author(s) of Genesis were breeding cattle, and understood the breeding of cattle, but the Genesis author(s) believed, wrongly, that showing a picture of spots to a monochrome cow would cause it to give birth to a spotted calf. The Bible authors didn't even understand the agricultural technology of their own day!

You insist on Biblical authority because the Bible claims it is the Word of God, a God who gave advice to a nomadic cattle-raising culture, but has been silent through the rise of farming and more recently, industry.

The Bible has some good stories, some poetry, and even some decent pornography, but in a world that has developed the tools of science to learn actual facts about physics, cosmology, biology, etc., you cannot learn common sense, much less wisdom from it.

Here's my take:

Religion is supposed to teach us how to live together in peace and harmony. Look around you at all the wars and suffering and greed, and it is obvious that religion has failed.

Science is supposed to teach us how the world works. Look around you again at all the gadgets we have that only science made possible: The computer you are reading this on, your telephone, your car, the ISS, and it is obvious that science is an on-going success.

The products of science can be used for good or for ill. Religion is supposed to teach us how to use our resources for good. It has failed miserably. Religion is a complete and utter failure. Unless, of course, you have your own church, in which case you are probably getting filthy rich off of the donations of ignorant, superstitious people who give you their money in the hope of buying their way into heaven.

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el cielo por alas,
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13-05-2015, 07:04 PM
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You know when you see law shows or movies and the witness gets up and says, "I saw something crazy." And then gets cross examined and asked, "Isn't it true you were on drugs at the time?" And the witness says, "Uh, well, uh, yeah, but..." And the cross examiner says, "No further questions, your honor."

The original post here would just be like the witness gets up there and says, "I was on drugs and saw something crazy." Then the cross examiner stands up and says, "Uh, I don't have any questions for this witness, your honor" and just shrugs.
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13-05-2015, 07:23 PM
RE: Can anyone explain how this wasn't God?
(13-05-2015 07:04 PM)WalkingSnake Wrote:  You know when you see law shows or movies and the witness gets up and says, "I saw something crazy." And then gets cross examined and asked, "Isn't it true you were on drugs at the time?" And the witness says, "Uh, well, uh, yeah, but..." And the cross examiner says, "No further questions, your honor."

The original post here would just be like the witness gets up there and says, "I was on drugs and saw something crazy." Then the cross examiner stands up and says, "Uh, I don't have any questions for this witness, your honor" and just shrugs.

True indeed. And in real legal systems that flimsy use of eye witness account would hardly be even considered worth hearing, if not at all in the court because of how unreliable it is without additional substantiated support.

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14-05-2015, 08:46 AM
RE: Can anyone explain how this wasn't God?
(12-05-2015 04:08 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  
(12-05-2015 09:30 AM)Shinosky Wrote:  lol...you believe yourself to be a god. You are not far off! Ok - we are getting somewhere.

Okay; you are refusing to define god, but are rather essentially using me (very flattering) as your definition, based on how I perceive myself...

If that's the case, god would be (in no particular order):
A marginally intelligent bungler, with a low concept of self-worth, who is largely indifferent to humanity, with very limited 'social graces', with a rage constantly boiling under the surface, whose only skills are tearing things down and procrastinating.

You know, most of that actually fits the average monotheistic god to a tee, doesn't it?
Maybe I actually am Yahweh. Ohmy

How you describe yourself is not how God see's you. Get to know your identity. Your true identity that shines through the darkness. It's a terrible thing to live in the darkness. Negative energy brings about a horrid vision. There is hope. There is love. Completely real and alive.
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14-05-2015, 08:51 AM
RE: Can anyone explain how this wasn't God?
(12-05-2015 09:00 PM)Esquilax Wrote:  
(12-05-2015 02:42 PM)Shinosky Wrote:  Devalue human beings? That is your thinking of the way you perceive of the way I think. Think about it. Your logic is weak. I don't expect you to agree me...lol In fact you shouldn't agree with me. I'm the lowest of the low. One of the worst sinners out there. But, I don't need you to feel better about myself.

No no no no no: when you begin a conversation by asserting that you do not care what your interlocutors say, and will not consider a word of it seriously, then you are devaluing human beings. You are devaluing us when you assert that we have nothing of value to say, where it disagrees with what you already believe, you devalue us when you say you won't listen, but we have to listen to you. You devalue us, when you dictate to us what our positions are.

When you come here and act like we have nothing of value to add to this conversation, when you won't even consider it a real exchange of ideas, when you treat us like pawns in your preaching game rather than real people, you are devaluing us.

Quote:All I ask is for someone to correlate the quantum world with the astro world. The small world with the big world problem the greatest minds have not solved yet. That big giant question mark looming over everyone's heads. Otherwise - it doesn't matter how smarter you are than me - which btw - you all blow me out of the water when it comes to intelligence. Well, maybe not everybody. I think I'm smarter than morondog....Wink

So essentially your grand idea here is an argument from ignorance. Wonderful. Facepalm

Well - if you or anyone else can't scientifically or mathematically solve this problem: we are all ignorant. We all fall under the ignorance umbrella. Our logic is faulty. Bottom line.
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14-05-2015, 08:56 AM
RE: Can anyone explain how this wasn't God?
(13-05-2015 02:47 PM)daniel1948 Wrote:  Side note: Farmers contemporaneous with the author(s) of Genesis were breeding cattle, and understood the breeding of cattle, but the Genesis author(s) believed, wrongly, that showing a picture of spots to a monochrome cow would cause it to give birth to a spotted calf. The Bible authors didn't even understand the agricultural technology of their own day!

Source this if you are going to state it please.
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