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30-01-2012, 04:55 PM
RE: Can god create a contradiction?
(30-01-2012 04:53 PM)Reactor Wrote:  Does infinite even exist? I think infinite is just a concept and it don't reflect the real world. Name something that it's infinite in the real world.

No. Infinite is a concept that defies natural laws.

Edit: I do believe that infinite exists, though. Just not in our world.

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30-01-2012, 04:57 PM
RE: Can god create a contradiction?
(30-01-2012 04:55 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(30-01-2012 04:53 PM)Reactor Wrote:  Does infinite even exist? I think infinite is just a concept and it don't reflect the real world. Name something that it's infinite in the real world.

No. Infinite is a concept that defies natural laws.

Edit: I do believe that infinite exists, though. Just not in our world.

Please explain how the infinite defies natural laws.

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30-01-2012, 05:00 PM
RE: Can god create a contradiction?
(30-01-2012 04:57 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(30-01-2012 04:55 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(30-01-2012 04:53 PM)Reactor Wrote:  Does infinite even exist? I think infinite is just a concept and it don't reflect the real world. Name something that it's infinite in the real world.

No. Infinite is a concept that defies natural laws.

Edit: I do believe that infinite exists, though. Just not in our world.

Please explain how the infinite defies natural laws.

That whole thing that Jack and I were talking about. Infinite cannot exist in a finite world because it creates a paradox.

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30-01-2012, 05:04 PM
RE: Can god create a contradiction?
So infinite and paradox don't exist in our world. Why only infinite exist in gods world? Why paradoxes don't? That seems weirdly convenient.
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30-01-2012, 05:05 PM
RE: Can god create a contradiction?
(30-01-2012 05:00 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(30-01-2012 04:57 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(30-01-2012 04:55 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(30-01-2012 04:53 PM)Reactor Wrote:  Does infinite even exist? I think infinite is just a concept and it don't reflect the real world. Name something that it's infinite in the real world.

No. Infinite is a concept that defies natural laws.

Edit: I do believe that infinite exists, though. Just not in our world.

Please explain how the infinite defies natural laws.

That whole thing that Jack and I were talking about. Infinite cannot exist in a finite world because it creates a paradox.

You are assuming a finite 'world'. Do you mean universe?

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30-01-2012, 05:06 PM (This post was last modified: 30-01-2012 05:08 PM by kingschosen.)
RE: Can god create a contradiction?
(30-01-2012 05:05 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(30-01-2012 05:00 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(30-01-2012 04:57 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(30-01-2012 04:55 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(30-01-2012 04:53 PM)Reactor Wrote:  Does infinite even exist? I think infinite is just a concept and it don't reflect the real world. Name something that it's infinite in the real world.

No. Infinite is a concept that defies natural laws.

Edit: I do believe that infinite exists, though. Just not in our world.

Please explain how the infinite defies natural laws.

That whole thing that Jack and I were talking about. Infinite cannot exist in a finite world because it creates a paradox.

You are assuming a finite 'world'. Do you mean universe?

Yes.

I mean "world" as in "everything in our realm of existence".
(30-01-2012 05:04 PM)Reactor Wrote:  So infinite and paradox don't exist in our world. Why only infinite exist in gods world? Why paradoxes don't? That seems weirdly convenient.

I believe in infinite. I believe that paradoxes cannot exist. I'm just talk about our natural world.

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30-01-2012, 05:08 PM
RE: Can god create a contradiction?
(30-01-2012 05:06 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(30-01-2012 05:05 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(30-01-2012 05:00 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(30-01-2012 04:57 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(30-01-2012 04:55 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  No. Infinite is a concept that defies natural laws.

Edit: I do believe that infinite exists, though. Just not in our world.

Please explain how the infinite defies natural laws.

That whole thing that Jack and I were talking about. Infinite cannot exist in a finite world because it creates a paradox.

You are assuming a finite 'world'. Do you mean universe?

Yes.

I mean "world" as in "everything in our realm of existence".

Thought so, but you are assuming it is finite.

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30-01-2012, 05:08 PM
RE: Can god create a contradiction?
(30-01-2012 05:08 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(30-01-2012 05:06 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(30-01-2012 05:05 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(30-01-2012 05:00 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(30-01-2012 04:57 PM)Chas Wrote:  Please explain how the infinite defies natural laws.

That whole thing that Jack and I were talking about. Infinite cannot exist in a finite world because it creates a paradox.

You are assuming a finite 'world'. Do you mean universe?

Yes.

I mean "world" as in "everything in our realm of existence".

Thought so, but you are assuming it is finite.

Pretty much.

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30-01-2012, 05:09 PM
RE: Can god create a contradiction?
i wouldnt go far as to say infinite does/doesnt exist, It's relative.
With regards to the bigbang, phycicists say that it started with a singularity, infinitely small and infinitely dense.
Still a hypothesis though and i dunno how i can back it up, but another way to think of infinity
is like so, draw a 1 cm line on a paper and look at it, that line has infinite points because no matter how small you get
there's always a smaller scale to go to. so it's 0.1 -> 0.01 -> 0.001 -> 0.0001 and so on.
and you can literally keep counting from 1 ad infinitum because there is no cap to the maximum number you can count to.
but infinity is a difficult concept to grasp and wrap ones head around, but one of the reasons i think the religions are false
because they have claims of infinity when even modern day physisists have some trouble with the concept,
That's why the holy books are riddled with contridictions such as infinitely merciful and infinitely just
Desert nomads simply didnt comprehend, question or think about this.

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30-01-2012, 05:10 PM
RE: Can god create a contradiction?
Points are a concept. The line is a concept. Numbers are a concept. So your example Jackrabbit is off
Am i the only one here that can't make sense from KC answers? Sad
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