Can graphics get better?
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06-10-2012, 01:50 AM (This post was last modified: 06-10-2012 09:25 AM by Vosur.)
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(05-10-2012 11:49 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  
(05-10-2012 08:01 AM)Vosur Wrote:  Yes, without a single doubt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voxel

No way.
Voxels take up enormous amounts of space and require very powerful computers to run.
You could never do something like Skyrim using voxels, hell you couldn't even do something very linear with voxels.

Polygons work just fine in the games department, voxels may have their uses but it certainly isn't in gaming.

This is where the future is at:


Cevat Yerli, the founder of Crytek (developers of Crysis 1 and 2) would like to disagree with you.



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06-10-2012, 05:38 PM
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yeah I didn't understand that at all, all I understood is that that guy has the weirdest looking eyebrows.

Of course he'll be excited about it though, he's in the industry. It's exciting, it's new, it looks good. But he doesn't see the practicality of it (He did make Crysis afterall, a game not exactly average computer friendly in it's time). They take up too much space, they require a very powerful processor. You just can't make huge games with it with todays technology.

Polygons as they are today are over layed on a mesh object. The mess is very thin and objects are hollow, trees, rocks etc... And so in theory you can make polygons look just as good as voxels, just minus the huge amount of space they take up.

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06-10-2012, 08:55 PM
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I think graphics are fine now, and what they should focus on is (1) getting rid of tech problems, freezing, stuttering, glitches as much as possible, and (2) tweaking the realism (lighting, animations, eyes, etc.). In some cases, hiring better voice actors would do more for the feel of the game than any visual enhancements. I wish more console games would focus on the story and characters, that makes for a better experience for me than just realistic visuals.

But then, I still have my NES hooked up to an SDTV, so my opinion may be invalid. ^_^ I just recently bought a PS3, and I mainly play ps1 games from PSN on it. Maybe nostalgia trumps graphics, for me...
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07-10-2012, 04:59 AM
RE: Can graphics get better?
(06-10-2012 05:38 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  yeah I didn't understand that at all, all I understood is that that guy has the weirdest looking eyebrows.

Of course he'll be excited about it though, he's in the industry. It's exciting, it's new, it looks good. But he doesn't see the practicality of it (He did make Crysis afterall, a game not exactly average computer friendly in it's time). They take up too much space, they require a very powerful processor. You just can't make huge games with it with todays technology.

Polygons as they are today are over layed on a mesh object. The mess is very thin and objects are hollow, trees, rocks etc... And so in theory you can make polygons look just as good as voxels, just minus the huge amount of space they take up.
To sum it up, he listed different methods to display graphics, naming their strengths and weaknesses and explained which one of them he thinks is more likely to be developed in the future. By using voxels, he said, you can get stunning graphics, but they are (currently) impractical for games, because physics, shadows and animations are not supported by them. He concluded that although voxels do have a potential to be used in games, Crytek will focus on developing a mixture of reyes rendering and polygons.

I agree that our current hardware wouldn't be able to run games relying mainly on voxels, but if you look at the development of computer hardware in the last decades, you can see a clear trend towards an exponential growth that doesn't appear to slow down (Moore's law). Perhaps in 20 years from now, it will become a viable alternative.

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07-10-2012, 05:41 AM
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I think graphics are a large part... however there are other things like AI and little details that all add up to the "illusion".

A lot of stuff has allready been mentioned... like 4K screens and the OLED in development, which have attracted more attention than shitty 3D televivisions recently.

One aspect that I think has been overlooked is because of how detailed games can be.... this increases their production time. GTA 5 has apparently been in production for 4 years and although I imagine they may have a small team at first to begin with, with full steam ahead on it right now..... I feel that as games become more detailed, complex and specialised... that if game developers dont employ more people to work on these things, that games will take longer to make and come out.

I think these details/graphics may also push the boundaries of what we deem as "acceptable". When GTA was released there was a huge uproar and because of it we saw the birth of ESRB. I was literally "blown away" when I played Max Payne 3 and I shot my first people and watched the much more realistic way that they ragdolled and reacted from being hit in different areas..... I cant imagine how improvements can be made in that area, however they will be in the future.

I also think that a lot of people in the past have blamed violent videos games on peoples behaviour (like when manhunt got banned caus that stupid kid copied it and killed his brother with a plastic bag) but as graphics and the way we interact with games improves, maybe one day differentiating between gaming and reality may just blur the lines a little too much.

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07-10-2012, 05:55 AM
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People claim that violent video games are bad, and that it encourages more violent behavior.

Just what the hell do people think this was used for?

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07-10-2012, 06:24 AM
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(07-10-2012 05:55 AM)Logica Humano Wrote:  People claim that violent video games are bad, and that it encourages more violent behavior.

Just what the hell do people think this was used for?

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I agree.... however ESRB ratings are there to stop children buying violent games, this does not stop parents buying them though and passing them on. Yes its the fault of the parents etc etc.... and if you raise your kid right then it wouldnt happen blah blah... however my point is that as game become more realistic, as ways of interacting with games (beyond Kinnect, maybe VR glasses) this will influence a way the child see life itself.... that without the right opposite conditioning of right and wrong.... the kid may see things differently to how we saw things on our televisions. It is easy for us now to turn off the console and the TV screen.... we know that the TV screen is just that.... however in the future when tech goes beyond televisions, becomes more submersive of an experiences... I think the lines of reality will be blurred.

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07-10-2012, 07:29 AM
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(07-10-2012 06:24 AM)bemore Wrote:  
(07-10-2012 05:55 AM)Logica Humano Wrote:  People claim that violent video games are bad, and that it encourages more violent behavior.

Just what the hell do people think this was used for?

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I agree.... however ESRB ratings are there to stop children buying violent games, this does not stop parents buying them though and passing them on. Yes its the fault of the parents etc etc.... and if you raise your kid right then it wouldnt happen blah blah... however my point is that as game become more realistic, as ways of interacting with games (beyond Kinnect, maybe VR glasses) this will influence a way the child see life itself.... that without the right opposite conditioning of right and wrong.... the kid may see things differently to how we saw things on our televisions. It is easy for us now to turn off the console and the TV screen.... we know that the TV screen is just that.... however in the future when tech goes beyond televisions, becomes more submersive of an experiences... I think the lines of reality will be blurred.
I wouldn't let my kids get their hands on any kind of videogame until they are teenagers. The effects of giving them stuff like that from a young age can be seen by observing the spoiled brats nowadays. *grumble grumble* Drinking Beverage

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08-10-2012, 09:30 PM
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Random quote time in response to Vosur:

"Every generation thinks themselves superior to the next."

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14-10-2012, 12:00 PM
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(08-10-2012 09:30 PM)itsacow Wrote:  Random quote time in response to Vosur:

"Every generation thinks themselves superior to the next."

All generalizations are false, including this one.

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