Poll: Can someone be a decent person AND a Christian?
Yes, however religious they are anyone can be considered decent
No, all Christians are not decent, period
It depends on how literally they take their religion
I don't think you can say any answer definitively on this
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25-04-2014, 12:49 AM
RE: Can someone be a decent person AND a Christian?
(24-04-2014 03:54 PM)nach_in Wrote:  OMG I CAN'T EVEN! this is SO silly, you guys are SO dumb. I mean DAH! Of course a person can be decent and christian, I mean look at Christian Bale, he's a decent actor and he's a christian, and he's SO HOT! OMG! AH! Girl_nails




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25-04-2014, 01:45 AM
RE: Can someone be a decent person AND a Christian?
I don't think all Christians are decent. I don't believe all atheists are decent either.

I don't however believe it has anything to do religion or lack of it.

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25-04-2014, 04:28 AM
RE: Can someone be a decent person AND a Christian?
Other (you should always include this option in any poll; just saying).
It depends on whether they follow the Bible in its entirety or not.

I want to note that, because the definition of "christian" is about as clear as YHWH's instructions in the Bible, one can be a christian while not following the Bible at all.

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25-04-2014, 04:34 AM
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(24-04-2014 03:39 PM)Hughsie Wrote:  What does everyone think?

That Banjo needs to get his head out of his ass, and that it ain't up to a bunch of atheists to define a person's Christianity.

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25-04-2014, 06:01 AM
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(24-04-2014 05:52 PM)Banjo Wrote:  The Bible is the criteria here.

Let us not forget that.

A true Bible following Christian accepts the Bible in it's form.

That is the Christian to whom I refer. Mealy ho hum Christians who know squat about the Bible do not count in my comment.

Remember, the origin of this thread is from a post directed at a Christian who administers an atheist forum. I take it for granted this believer understands his belief system completely. If not, then I don't know what the Hell is going on.

I am fully versed in the Bible. I studied it for years. I expect similar knowledge from an administrator at an atheist website.

That is where I am coming from at least. I hope this makes it more clear.

A Christian is only one who believes Christ is their personal savior. Believing the bible in a literalist form is only one sect of Christianity, but does not make-up the definition of a Christian. Christianity today would be Unrecognizable by James the Just (Jesus's brother) and the leader after Jesus died until the temple was destroyed and Paul took over. All went down hill from there. So Christianity is broadly defined and even if you did say the literal follower is the true bible follower. That is also debatable because many Christian scholars realize and recognize the different forms of writing present, as well as the books missing, and alterations of word meanings between translations. Those scholars who are also Christian (as my scriptures as literature class professor was, but I only found out from my cousin who works there ) see it in it's historical context and therefore "Christianity" cannot be defined so narrowly, as those scholars know much more than squat about the bible. He probably understands his belief system, it seems to be you who have forgotten the multiple translations that have led to so many sects. In short some of those bible believing Christians have made a career out it, and not talking apologetics, the Christianity you refer to didn't really exist until the great awakening that sparked a personal relationship. None of it is simple, But I highly doubt he knows squat about the bible or his sect.

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25-04-2014, 09:06 AM
RE: Can someone be a decent person AND a Christian?
(24-04-2014 03:44 PM)Dom Wrote:  I think this whole thing is just silly.

Either people treat others well or they don't.

Either they do a good job or they don't.

And so on. It doesn't matter what else they do or think.

This.

I am not accountable to any God. I am accountable to myself - and not because I think I am God as some theists would try to assert - but because, no matter what actions I take, thoughts I think, or words I utter, I have to be able to live with myself.
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26-04-2014, 01:17 PM
RE: Can someone be a decent person AND a Christian?
Well first thing is to define what we mean by "Christian." I go by the standard definition:

1:We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.

Monotheistic belief in a single supernatural creative intelligence. Nothing here that would stop a person from being decent.

2:We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

Belief in the divinity of Jesus and his sacrifice and immortality. I've mentioned how I find the idea of vicarious punishment to be repugnant, but otherwise nothing here demanding or preventing people from being decent human beings.

3:We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.

A belief in the omnipresence of God, and about being close to him through the church. A lot of superstitious mumbo jumbo but nothing that influences morality one way or another.

Why do I post this? I take offense to the statement that Christians must take the bible literally, else they're not really Christian. Because that is NOT how they define Christianity, nor is it how most of society defines it.

Of course you can believe in Jesus and be a good decent person. You can believe in the blood gobbling monster Gorak and still be a decent person. The question is silly. Just being a Christian doesn't make you a homophobic mysogynistic bigot.
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26-04-2014, 01:26 PM
RE: Can someone be a decent person AND a Christian?
Yes, someone can be decent and Christian.
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26-04-2014, 01:28 PM
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(26-04-2014 01:17 PM)natachan Wrote:  Well first thing is to define what we mean by "Christian." I go by the standard definition:

1:We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.

Monotheistic belief in a single supernatural creative intelligence. Nothing here that would stop a person from being decent.

2:We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

Belief in the divinity of Jesus and his sacrifice and immortality. I've mentioned how I find the idea of vicarious punishment to be repugnant, but otherwise nothing here demanding or preventing people from being decent human beings.

3:We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.

A belief in the omnipresence of God, and about being close to him through the church. A lot of superstitious mumbo jumbo but nothing that influences morality one way or another.

Why do I post this? I take offense to the statement that Christians must take the bible literally, else they're not really Christian. Because that is NOT how they define Christianity, nor is it how most of society defines it.

Of course you can believe in Jesus and be a good decent person. You can believe in the blood gobbling monster Gorak and still be a decent person. The question is silly. Just being a Christian doesn't make you a homophobic mysogynistic bigot.

So much yes.
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26-04-2014, 01:39 PM
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(26-04-2014 01:28 PM)An_Theist Wrote:  
(26-04-2014 01:17 PM)natachan Wrote:  Well first thing is to define what we mean by "Christian." I go by the standard definition:

1:We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.

Monotheistic belief in a single supernatural creative intelligence. Nothing here that would stop a person from being decent.

2:We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

Belief in the divinity of Jesus and his sacrifice and immortality. I've mentioned how I find the idea of vicarious punishment to be repugnant, but otherwise nothing here demanding or preventing people from being decent human beings.

3:We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.

A belief in the omnipresence of God, and about being close to him through the church. A lot of superstitious mumbo jumbo but nothing that influences morality one way or another.

Why do I post this? I take offense to the statement that Christians must take the bible literally, else they're not really Christian. Because that is NOT how they define Christianity, nor is it how most of society defines it.

Of course you can believe in Jesus and be a good decent person. You can believe in the blood gobbling monster Gorak and still be a decent person. The question is silly. Just being a Christian doesn't make you a homophobic mysogynistic bigot.

So much yes.

No, unless they follow Jesus of Gamala, and then they are ok by me.
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