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11-08-2015, 04:26 PM
Can someone explain SE Cupp
So I'm starting to dip my toe into learning more about political issues this election cycle and I was surprised to learn that SE Cupp is an atheist. After doing some Google searches and seeing some clips of her stances on certain issues I find her baffling and fascinating at the same time. I know atheists come in all types so it makes for an interesting talking point.

Does anyone have an opinion on where she is coming from?
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11-08-2015, 04:54 PM (This post was last modified: 11-08-2015 05:00 PM by The Organic Chemist.)
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(11-08-2015 04:26 PM)Rkane819 Wrote:  So I'm starting to dip my toe into learning more about political issues this election cycle and I was surprised to learn that SE Cupp is an atheist. After doing some Google searches and seeing some clips of her stances on certain issues I find her baffling and fascinating at the same time. I know atheists come in all types so it makes for an interesting talking point.

Does anyone have an opinion on where she is coming from?

I am not concinced she isn't a plant for conservative tv. She presents herself as smart, pretty, and a little too close to how the religious seem to perceive the irreligious. That is my take anyway.

"If we are honest—and scientists have to be—we must admit that religion is a jumble of false assertions, with no basis in reality.
The very idea of God is a product of the human imagination."
- Paul Dirac
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11-08-2015, 04:55 PM
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(11-08-2015 04:26 PM)Rkane819 Wrote:  So I'm starting to dip my toe into learning more about political issues this election cycle and I was surprised to learn that SE Cupp is an atheist. After doing some Google searches and seeing some clips of her stances on certain issues I find her baffling and fascinating at the same time. I know atheists come in all types so it makes for an interesting talking point.

Does anyone have an opinion on where she is coming from?

Like me--fiscal conservative, moderate socially. Atheists in the GOP tend to be libertarian leaning, sometimes hawkish on defense issues.
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11-08-2015, 05:27 PM
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I've been something of an SE Cupp fan for a while. I disagree with her on politics quite frequently but she doesn't really piss me off much. She hunts and fishes and says she is an atheist. I believe her.
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11-08-2015, 05:43 PM (This post was last modified: 11-08-2015 05:48 PM by goodwithoutgod.)
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If she is an atheist she has an odd choice for book writing...but then again, until I read the OP, I had never heard of her....so I don't know shit about her and willfully admit it. I googled her, and on her website http://thesecupp.com/se-in-print/

she has this...

http://www.amazon.com/Losing-Our-Religio...B0048ELE36

an excerpt from her book below:

"Worship is, in this country, both a public and a private act of devotion. While many Americans pray privately in their homes, around a dinner table, or before they go to bed, they also worship publicly, in church, at their places of business, on the athletic field, at their local soup kitchen, and, for many, every time they say the Pledge of Allegiance or sing the National Anthem.

But worship of any kind, private or public, gets religious America into serious hot water with the liberal media, which has come to mock and resent public displays of faith, or any acknowledgment of God or religion by the state. The mere suggestion that the country is in fact a Christian one is declared backward, dangerous, and heretical to the Constitution of the United States.

Christmas and Christian holidays, prayer, public references to biblical scripture, the Ten Commandments, “In God We Trust,” one nation “under God,” “God Bless America”—it’s all now subject to ridicule and scrutiny by the liberal press, which has decided, without consulting the citizens of our country (80 percent of whom are Christian), that it’s no longer seemly or appropriate to worship out loud. Their collective distaste for displays of Christian devotion has grown from mild to maniacal in less than a decade, despite the fact that the Christian population in the United States has grown from 159,514,000 to 173,402,000 between 2001 and 2008.1

To be clear, the liberal media has no problem with worship—as long as it’s secular. The media worships a great many false idols in its daily broadcasts, front-page stories, news segments, and online features. The liberal media worships Hollywood and celebrity, breathlessly fawning over Angelina Jolie’s every inconsequential gesticulation or Lindsay Lohan’s less-than-shocking crimes and misdemeanors, or the latest castoff on the 147th The Bachelor. It worships its political demagogues, such as John F. Kennedy, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and Barack Obama, and takes turns propping them up on pedestals so that you may worship them, too. It worships liberalism and all its causes cÉlÈbres, such as environmentalism, gay marriage, abortion, and, the ACLU’s newest pet cause, jihadi rights. And, of course, it worships itself, with flashy correspondence dinners, magazine parties, self-satisfying award ceremonies, and giddy self-promotion. During the presidential election, CNN called itself “the best political team on television” as many as fifty times … in a single day.

But worship God? That’s something else entirely. Not only has the liberal media seemingly stripped the word from its lexicon, but when it does bring it up it’s to mock believers or champion the cause of the angry atheist, who, the media promises us, represents the new majority opinion about God and faith—that faith should be banished to the far corners of the earth (Alaska would suffice) so that it is spoken of only in hushed tones in one’s own bedroom. You know, like porn.

As a result of the liberal media’s relentless efforts to shame God to a place on the dusty bottom shelf of modern American civilization, it seems that we now have a president who is taking direct cues from the media’s vow of silence. And for that gift, the gift of God-omission, the liberal media rewards President Obama with positive coverage. Sure as the sun rises and sets, the cycle repeats."

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“”Why would she welcome the inclusion of religion in politics, or be so blind as to think belief somehow makes politicians more trustworthy? She is either deliberately lying to placate her base, or she’s woefully misinformed about the dangers of mixing politics and religion. In any case, she’s not too impressive, and it’s my hope that she’ll quietly fade into obscurity as her ignorance and incompetence is slowly revealed to the general public.
—Jacob Fortin, The Good Atheist podcast


Sarah Elizabeth "S. E." Cupp (b. 1979) is an American conservative writer and Fox Noise's token "atheist" who regularly concern trolls for religion.

Cupp insists she doesn’t believe but isn't mad at God either.

When asked what she used to value about religion she said she valued being part of the Christian community:

“”I loved a lot. I loved the belonging... I was really turned on by that sense of group identity. You’re one of us.

She later contradicted herself and gave curiously irrational reasons for giving up her belief in God:

“”In part, I became an atheist [because] I’m not really a big joiner. I didn’t want to leave one club for another.

In the end, her views generally revolve around the stockiest of stock quotations from the philosophers she supposedly studied. She is likely so "successful" because she appeals to what most people perceive or want atheists to be; earnest doubters who, deep in their heart, want to be Christians. She has stated that she admires Christians (particularly American Evangelicals) and:

“...really aspires to be a person of faith some day."

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/S._E._Cupp

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so not sure what I think....seems a bit suspicious. Dodgy

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11-08-2015, 08:30 PM
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When I went on her website 2 of her top 5 book recommendations were from CS Lewis and Dinesh D'Souza. I'm confused.
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11-08-2015, 08:56 PM
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(11-08-2015 05:27 PM)Black Eagle Wrote:  I've been something of an SE Cupp fan for a while. I disagree with her on politics quite frequently but she doesn't really piss me off much. She hunts and fishes and says she is an atheist. I believe her.

I have no reason to doubt her that she is an atheist. I am just not sure whether she really thinks what she says or if she is just playing the role of antagonist who feeds the religious impression of the irreligious.

"If we are honest—and scientists have to be—we must admit that religion is a jumble of false assertions, with no basis in reality.
The very idea of God is a product of the human imagination."
- Paul Dirac
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12-08-2015, 10:47 AM
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She seems like a conservative version of CJ Werleman. Those two might have an interesting conversation.
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12-08-2015, 10:55 AM
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If theists can have a John Shelby Sponge, atheists can have an S.E. Cupp. She's an atheists who likes religion, in particular Christianity, but who just doesn't find it convincing enough for her to believe.

I'm guessing for many atheists, she's like those black guys who wave the confederate flag, or an Allen West, an Uncle Tom.
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