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18-06-2015, 09:28 AM
RE: Can't say how sex evolved, therefore Adam and Eve
(18-06-2015 08:11 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  I'm not saying you've encountered God or deny His existence, I'm wondering rather if you've received evidence that you have thus far rejected?

I cannot speak for others. I have never received or seen evidence of any gods.

Perhaps you can show us the evidence that will help us get into heaven. That is why you are here, right?

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18-06-2015, 09:39 AM
RE: Can't say how sex evolved, therefore Adam and Eve
(18-06-2015 09:28 AM)Banjo Wrote:  Perhaps you can show us the evidence that will help us get into heaven. That is why you are here, right?

Alas, no. He's here to masturbate to the idea of his own righteousness. He doesn't expect to, or care to, convince anyone of anything - just to self-affirm in the most self-congratulatory way possible.

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18-06-2015, 09:47 AM (This post was last modified: 18-06-2015 09:54 AM by EvolutionKills.)
RE: Can't say how sex evolved, therefore Adam and Eve
(18-06-2015 08:16 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  That all sounds good, and even sounds like you have the moral high ground, until you recall that the Bible itself explains that people reap what they sow, and that judgment even begins with believers.


Except for the 'inherent sinfulness' of humanity, suppodedly starting with the fall of Adam and Eve (but really, it's God who is ultimately responsible since they all stem from his actions and the motions he set in place), for which we'll all be judged, and not one of us had any hand it.

So yeah, complete disingenuous bullshit on your part Q.


(18-06-2015 08:16 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  Do Christians who have AIDS because they used needles get healed from AIDS, each one, once they trust Christ? Do booze addicts have livers that change instantly when receiving Christ?


No, but that at least might be some evidence for the supernatural intervention or the power of prayer.

What's more damning is how your God allows children to be born with AIDS. They suffer just as much, if not more so, than any junkie who acquired HIV from a dirty needle. God still allows the innocents to suffer and die, to be condemned through no action of their own, to be punished simply for existing.

There is no justice in their suffering, no higher meaning in their deaths.


(18-06-2015 08:16 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  You are confusing the desire for God to see you in Heaven with the righteousness of God and natural law that still makes people accountable.


You're confusing your own ass-backwards apologetics for the will of your imaginary, impotent, emotionally stunted, trans-dimensional space wizard.


(18-06-2015 08:16 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  IF and ONLY if we had situations like condemned prisoners receiving Jesus AND having their sentences commuted... you would be right.


Born Again Christians on death row die with the comforting thought that their 'sins' have been forgiven and that they'll enjoy eternal paradise, because the imaginary friend they believe in said that they were forgiven; and it says so right in the Bible. I didn't make this shit up Q, nor am I the one claiming to speak for god or believe in him; but I will hold you to the standards of your bullshit ideology and book of myth if you insist on defending it.



(18-06-2015 08:16 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  Your premise is false because no one trusts Jesus then says, "Oh well, I'll drive drunk, shoot heroin and rape people because I'm going to Heaven and nothing will happen to me while here on Earth."


Nobody has to, the Bible points out that anything can be forgiven, with the very notable exception of blasphemy. Which is very convenient for a proselytizing religion, especially one that spread by the sword. You can fuck up, check in with Jesus, get your unlimited allotment of forgiveness, rinse and repeat. There is no limit to this, forgiveness is unlimited. There is nothing at all, as written in the Bible, that prevents people from gaming the system; thus there is nothing preventing someone from justifying their actions, any actions, safe in the knowledge that everything will be forgiven. Why? It says so in the damn book.

Just look at the Catholics. They took this simple premise, this loop-hole of unlimited forgiveness, and their built an empire out of it. Like hell believers don't game the system.

There is zero moral accountability, and nothing you've said so far at all negates that fact or otherwise saves Christian Theology from moral bankruptcy.


(18-06-2015 08:16 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  I try to always be kind and patient with TTA suggestions, however this canard of Hitchens et al that substitutionary atonement is a great evil is not only a canard, it is suggesting that everyone should go to Hell forever, feeling they are only doing their part for justice, which is likewise nonsense.


No, the only canard here is your complete, utter, and total inability to deal with reality. We're not suggesting that everyone should go to Hell, because Hell is as much bullshit as your sky-daddy. We're just pointing out that Christian Theology makes little sense even on it's own terms, lacks any moral accountability, and can thus be used to justify and forgive any atrocity committed by man; with the notable exception of disbelief.

Theft, dishonesty, assault, abuse, murder, rape, and genocide can all be washed away. No one need be held accountable for their actions, because all things are forgiven if you but believe. Unless of course you blaspheme or otherwise doubt the existence of the Holy Spirit and do not think the correct thoughts.

Blaspheme, simple mockery of being who's existence is entirely unverifiable, is a worse offense than genocide. That seems incredibly petty coming from anyone, let alone the supposed creator of the universe.

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18-06-2015, 09:48 AM
RE: Can't say how sex evolved, therefore Adam and Eve
(18-06-2015 09:21 AM)cjlr Wrote:  
(18-06-2015 03:11 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  This is why we laugh at you Q, because you're just one step removed from nihilism and psychopathy, but you're the only one who doesn't see it. Drinking Beverage

Believers in divine command are only ever one perceived command away from literally anything.

It's cute when they're idiots on a forum, but in the real world they actually kill people.

My point exactly.

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18-06-2015, 10:00 AM
RE: Can't say how sex evolved, therefore Adam and Eve
(18-06-2015 09:39 AM)cjlr Wrote:  Alas, no. He's here to masturbate to the idea of his own righteousness. He doesn't expect to, or care to, convince anyone of anything - just to self-affirm in the most self-congratulatory way possible.


Everyone needs a hobby I suppose....Consider

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19-06-2015, 08:20 AM
RE: Can't say how sex evolved, therefore Adam and Eve
(18-06-2015 09:21 AM)cjlr Wrote:  
(18-06-2015 03:11 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  This is why we laugh at you Q, because you're just one step removed from nihilism and psychopathy, but you're the only one who doesn't see it. Drinking Beverage

Believers in divine command are only ever one perceived command away from literally anything.

It's cute when they're idiots on a forum, but in the real world they actually kill people.

Correct only in part:

* Biblicists would have to align such a command with the Bible

* Skeptics don't event need a command to do something morally "wrong", right?

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19-06-2015, 08:22 AM
RE: Can't say how sex evolved, therefore Adam and Eve
(18-06-2015 09:28 AM)Banjo Wrote:  
(18-06-2015 08:11 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  I'm not saying you've encountered God or deny His existence, I'm wondering rather if you've received evidence that you have thus far rejected?

I cannot speak for others. I have never received or seen evidence of any gods.

Perhaps you can show us the evidence that will help us get into heaven. That is why you are here, right?

That is only one reason I'm here, and that would be a shaky one at that, since when I purpose to witness I'm finding people far more open than here at TTA... I'm here to learn, discuss and debate.

The good news is that if you are sincerely interested in evidence for God and Heaven, Jesus will handle the situation. He is 100% at setting people free who seek truth.

The bad news is if you are predisposed against Heaven, there is nothing I can say to sway you against your mindset. Your free will is that powerful.

Are you in good news or bad news territory, lately? You may not want to respond here -- TTA members mock people who believe there might be a God, even agnostic atheists.

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19-06-2015, 08:33 AM
RE: Can't say how sex evolved, therefore Adam and Eve
(18-06-2015 09:47 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(18-06-2015 08:16 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  That all sounds good, and even sounds like you have the moral high ground, until you recall that the Bible itself explains that people reap what they sow, and that judgment even begins with believers.


Except for the 'inherent sinfulness' of humanity, suppodedly starting with the fall of Adam and Eve (but really, it's God who is ultimately responsible since they all stem from his actions and the motions he set in place), for which we'll all be judged, and not one of us had any hand it.

So yeah, complete disingenuous bullshit on your part Q.


(18-06-2015 08:16 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  Do Christians who have AIDS because they used needles get healed from AIDS, each one, once they trust Christ? Do booze addicts have livers that change instantly when receiving Christ?


No, but that at least might be some evidence for the supernatural intervention or the power of prayer.

What's more damning is how your God allows children to be born with AIDS. They suffer just as much, if not more so, than any junkie who acquired HIV from a dirty needle. God still allows the innocents to suffer and die, to be condemned through no action of their own, to be punished simply for existing.

There is no justice in their suffering, no higher meaning in their deaths.


(18-06-2015 08:16 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  You are confusing the desire for God to see you in Heaven with the righteousness of God and natural law that still makes people accountable.


You're confusing your own ass-backwards apologetics for the will of your imaginary, impotent, emotionally stunted, trans-dimensional space wizard.


(18-06-2015 08:16 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  IF and ONLY if we had situations like condemned prisoners receiving Jesus AND having their sentences commuted... you would be right.


Born Again Christians on death row die with the comforting thought that their 'sins' have been forgiven and that they'll enjoy eternal paradise, because the imaginary friend they believe in said that they were forgiven; and it says so right in the Bible. I didn't make this shit up Q, nor am I the one claiming to speak for god or believe in him; but I will hold you to the standards of your bullshit ideology and book of myth if you insist on defending it.



(18-06-2015 08:16 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  Your premise is false because no one trusts Jesus then says, "Oh well, I'll drive drunk, shoot heroin and rape people because I'm going to Heaven and nothing will happen to me while here on Earth."


Nobody has to, the Bible points out that anything can be forgiven, with the very notable exception of blasphemy. Which is very convenient for a proselytizing religion, especially one that spread by the sword. You can fuck up, check in with Jesus, get your unlimited allotment of forgiveness, rinse and repeat. There is no limit to this, forgiveness is unlimited. There is nothing at all, as written in the Bible, that prevents people from gaming the system; thus there is nothing preventing someone from justifying their actions, any actions, safe in the knowledge that everything will be forgiven. Why? It says so in the damn book.

Just look at the Catholics. They took this simple premise, this loop-hole of unlimited forgiveness, and their built an empire out of it. Like hell believers don't game the system.

There is zero moral accountability, and nothing you've said so far at all negates that fact or otherwise saves Christian Theology from moral bankruptcy.


(18-06-2015 08:16 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  I try to always be kind and patient with TTA suggestions, however this canard of Hitchens et al that substitutionary atonement is a great evil is not only a canard, it is suggesting that everyone should go to Hell forever, feeling they are only doing their part for justice, which is likewise nonsense.


No, the only canard here is your complete, utter, and total inability to deal with reality. We're not suggesting that everyone should go to Hell, because Hell is as much bullshit as your sky-daddy. We're just pointing out that Christian Theology makes little sense even on it's own terms, lacks any moral accountability, and can thus be used to justify and forgive any atrocity committed by man; with the notable exception of disbelief.

Theft, dishonesty, assault, abuse, murder, rape, and genocide can all be washed away. No one need be held accountable for their actions, because all things are forgiven if you but believe. Unless of course you blaspheme or otherwise doubt the existence of the Holy Spirit and do not think the correct thoughts.

Blaspheme, simple mockery of being who's existence is entirely unverifiable, is a worse offense than genocide. That seems incredibly petty coming from anyone, let alone the supposed creator of the universe.

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IMHO, you are wrong on several counts:

1. I don't believe in "the inherent sinfulness of humanity" as you put it. I believe we all have the potential to do much good. However, I would challenge anyone who says they are perfect or have the self-will to stop themselves from sometimes doing things they know are impure or moral evils.

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Quote:No, but that at least might be some evidence for the supernatural intervention or the power of prayer.

Have I told you now 10 times? 20? 30? - we're not getting smoking gun evidence for God as individuals unless we are disposed towards truth and God via our free will. This is a sorting place, moreover, even if you saw 10,000 livers healed you could still say "anomaly" or "scientific reason as long as God isn't in the gap". You are being disingenuous IMHO.

3. I hear what you're saying about hurting children. I think you need some more perspective, however.

4.
Quote:Born Again Christians on death row die with the comforting thought that their 'sins' have been forgiven and that they'll enjoy eternal paradise

I'm guessing I've done more prison ministry than you. Smile When you see prisoners really and truly changed, you see the power of Christ. He's real.

5. You really don't understand the points I've made about the disparity between being forgiven for anything and doing anything AFTER being forgiven. Jesus Christ saved me--therefore I come to places like TTA and witness the love of Christ. I've been told even recently here I have "backbone" because I take a lot of abuse and return kindness and gentleness for it. I don't WANT to shoot drugs. I don't WANT to cheat on my spouse. I don't WANT to live like many atheists do. I WANT to show GRATITUDE for being saved. Just because I'm forgiven of anything doesn't mean I will do anything.

If you still disbelieve me, pretend you've cheated on your wife. She forgives you. Will you now cheat on her again because she will forgive you again? Are you that big a piece of garbage that you take every advantage?

Or will you not cheat because you fear the consequences? There are entire Bible chapters on God punishing BELIEVERS who sin. You don't know the Bible, at all, it seems, and that's not a slur on you from me but I tell you that you don't WANT to know the Bible.

It's typical of skeptics to misstate what the Bible states and then accuse God of gross moral negligence when clearly He judges and clearly the skeptics are doing filth in private. I KNOW BECAUSE I WAS A SKEPTIC.

Repent! Change your mind about Jesus. He died and rose to cover your imperfections.

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19-06-2015, 08:36 AM
RE: Can't say how sex evolved, therefore Adam and Eve
(18-06-2015 09:39 AM)cjlr Wrote:  
(18-06-2015 09:28 AM)Banjo Wrote:  Perhaps you can show us the evidence that will help us get into heaven. That is why you are here, right?

Alas, no. He's here to masturbate to the idea of his own righteousness. He doesn't expect to, or care to, convince anyone of anything - just to self-affirm in the most self-congratulatory way possible.

Are you sure about that? Really, really sure? Because the good news, that no one is perfect save Jesus, and that we don't have do thing one to be saved, works when I share with it with many people apart from TTA. In the last few weeks, I've shared with Muslims, Mormons, JWs, Catholics, skeptics and more. Two weeks ago I met a young man who thought he was lost, knows now he isn't, and is meeting weekly with me for discipleship and fellowship. I get kudos (the internal kind you speak of) elsewhere far more easily than being TTA's preferred troll, brother.

Are you sure about that?

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19-06-2015, 08:44 AM
RE: Can't say how sex evolved, therefore Adam and Eve
(19-06-2015 08:36 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(18-06-2015 09:39 AM)cjlr Wrote:  Alas, no. He's here to masturbate to the idea of his own righteousness. He doesn't expect to, or care to, convince anyone of anything - just to self-affirm in the most self-congratulatory way possible.

Are you sure about that? Really, really sure? Because the good news, that no one is perfect save Jesus, and that we don't have do thing one to be saved, works when I share with it with many people apart from TTA. In the last few weeks, I've shared with Muslims, Mormons, JWs, Catholics, skeptics and more. Two weeks ago I met a young man who thought he was lost, knows now he isn't, and is meeting weekly with me for discipleship and fellowship. I get kudos (the internal kind you speak of) elsewhere far more easily than being TTA's preferred troll, brother.

Are you sure about that?

It really is time for you to go.

You're not here to take part in debate or discussion.
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