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20-06-2015, 10:49 AM
RE: Can't say how sex evolved, therefore Adam and Eve
(19-06-2015 08:22 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(18-06-2015 09:28 AM)Banjo Wrote:  I cannot speak for others. I have never received or seen evidence of any gods.

Perhaps you can show us the evidence that will help us get into heaven. That is why you are here, right?

That is only one reason I'm here, and that would be a shaky one at that, since when I purpose to witness I'm finding people far more open than here at TTA... I'm here to learn, discuss and debate.

The good news is that if you are sincerely interested in evidence for God and Heaven, Jesus will handle the situation. He is 100% at setting people free who seek truth.

The bad news is if you are predisposed against Heaven, there is nothing I can say to sway you against your mindset. Your free will is that powerful.

Are you in good news or bad news territory, lately? You may not want to respond here -- TTA members mock people who believe there might be a God, even agnostic atheists.

The man asked you for evidence and you dodged... that is wonderful. I'm 100% interested in evidence for God, go ahead, whip them out. Oooooooooorrrrr are you saying that one has to believe first before any evidence is forthcoming?

"TTA members mock people who believe there might be a God, even agnostic atheists"
I'm going to go out on a limb here and claim that most members here are agnostic atheists. I am an agnostic atheist; there might be a god, I don't know if a god exists. Until convincing evidence is revealed, I can reasonably disregard any claim for the existence of a god or gods.
Let us wait for the imminent mocking I about to receive from TTA members. While we wait for the mocking, how about you bring out some evidence. BRB gonna go walk my dog.
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20-06-2015, 11:01 AM
RE: Can't say how sex evolved, therefore Adam and Eve
(20-06-2015 10:49 AM)xieulong Wrote:  Let us wait for the imminent mocking I about to receive from TTA members.

Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelled of elderberries!

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20-06-2015, 11:28 AM
RE: Can't say how sex evolved, therefore Adam and Eve
(20-06-2015 11:01 AM)Free Thought Wrote:  
(20-06-2015 10:49 AM)xieulong Wrote:  Let us wait for the imminent mocking I about to receive from TTA members.

Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelled of elderberries!

Is there anyone else up there we can talk to?
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20-06-2015, 11:30 AM
RE: Can't say how sex evolved, therefore Adam and Eve
(20-06-2015 10:49 AM)xieulong Wrote:  
(19-06-2015 08:22 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  That is only one reason I'm here, and that would be a shaky one at that, since when I purpose to witness I'm finding people far more open than here at TTA... I'm here to learn, discuss and debate.

The good news is that if you are sincerely interested in evidence for God and Heaven, Jesus will handle the situation. He is 100% at setting people free who seek truth.

The bad news is if you are predisposed against Heaven, there is nothing I can say to sway you against your mindset. Your free will is that powerful.

Are you in good news or bad news territory, lately? You may not want to respond here -- TTA members mock people who believe there might be a God, even agnostic atheists.

The man asked you for evidence and you dodged... that is wonderful. I'm 100% interested in evidence for God, go ahead, whip them out. Oooooooooorrrrr are you saying that one has to believe first before any evidence is forthcoming?

"TTA members mock people who believe there might be a God, even agnostic atheists"
I'm going to go out on a limb here and claim that most members here are agnostic atheists. I am an agnostic atheist; there might be a god, I don't know if a god exists. Until convincing evidence is revealed, I can reasonably disregard any claim for the existence of a god or gods.
Let us wait for the imminent mocking I'm about to receive from TTA members. While we wait for the mocking, how about you bring out some evidence. BRB gonna go walk my dog.
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20-06-2015, 11:47 AM
RE: Can't say how sex evolved, therefore Adam and Eve
(20-06-2015 11:28 AM)xieulong Wrote:  
(20-06-2015 11:01 AM)Free Thought Wrote:  Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelled of elderberries!

Is there anyone else up there we can talk to?

No. Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time-a!

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20-06-2015, 12:42 PM
RE: Can't say how sex evolved, therefore Adam and Eve
(20-06-2015 10:03 AM)The Organic Chemist Wrote:  
(19-06-2015 06:32 PM)Fodder_From_The_Truth Wrote:  Yes its often presented in court as an example of the inmates positive change, and unfortunately here in Oklahoma its often viewed as such.

Wait. You mean that the god card is really played at parole hearings and taken seriously? Wow. Never knew that. I always figured that many found god as a way to pass the time but not as a way to con the parole board. I wonder how often it comes up at the hearings of repeat offenders as to why they seem to keep finding jesus in the slammer.

I can't speak for parole boards, I worked in a county jail. I'm speaking more towards written letters to the judge, DA, or even as far as attorney's bringing it up in court.
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20-06-2015, 01:53 PM
RE: Can't say how sex evolved, therefore Adam and Eve
(20-06-2015 10:49 AM)xieulong Wrote:  Let us wait for the imminent mocking I about to receive from TTA members.




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20-06-2015, 10:21 PM (This post was last modified: 21-06-2015 01:18 AM by EvolutionKills.)
RE: Can't say how sex evolved, therefore Adam and Eve
(19-06-2015 08:33 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  IMHO, you are wrong on several counts:

1. I don't believe in "the inherent sinfulness of humanity" as you put it. I believe we all have the potential to do much good. However, I would challenge anyone who says they are perfect or have the self-will to stop themselves from sometimes doing things they know are impure or moral evils.


Except that means fuck all Q, because the state of our moral character does not matter. Entrance to Heaven or eternal damnation to Hell is based upon a single criteria, and that is having the correct set of beliefs. Even ignore the fact that beliefs are not chosen at will, but rather dependent on what people know (or think they know, as in your poor deluded case). It's not an issue of perfection, it's an issuse of it being an asinine criteria for reward and punishment that makes zero sense from the perspective of omni-being creator deity, but makes perfect sense from the perspective of a man-made ideology created to propagate in order to benefit those in charge.

Conclusion: You're still a poor shill.



(19-06-2015 08:33 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  2.
Quote:No, but that at least might be some evidence for the supernatural intervention or the power of prayer.

Have I told you now 10 times? 20? 30? - we're not getting smoking gun evidence for God as individuals unless we are disposed towards truth and God via our free will. This is a sorting place, moreover, even if you saw 10,000 livers healed you could still say "anomaly" or "scientific reason as long as God isn't in the gap". You are being disingenuous IMHO.


But at least 10,000 'miraculously' healed livers might be evidence for something unexplained, but just having a healed liver doesn't get you to 'my personal god exists and is responsible'. But no, really, please do try to connect those dots for us. How would you get from 10,000 healed livers to 'the Christian god exists' as the only, exclusive, explanation?

You cannot you stupid fuck, it's you who is being disingenious.



(19-06-2015 08:33 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  3. I hear what you're saying about hurting children. I think you need some more perspective, however.


I need perspective? I, need perspective? Really? Fuckin' really? That's all you got you limpdick fucktard?

I think you need some fucking empathy jackass.



(19-06-2015 08:33 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  4.
Quote:Born Again Christians on death row die with the comforting thought that their 'sins' have been forgiven and that they'll enjoy eternal paradise

I'm guessing I've done more prison ministry than you. Smile When you see prisoners really and truly changed, you see the power of Christ. He's real.


So I take it you haven't ministered to those in prison who have well and truly changed through the power of Allah, or Budhha? OR those who did so by their own willpower?

Nope, all credit goes to your particular skydaddy...

Who has the myopic perspective here again? Fuckin' wanker...



(19-06-2015 08:33 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  5. You really don't understand the points I've made about the disparity between being forgiven for anything and doing anything AFTER being forgiven. Jesus Christ saved me--therefore I come to places like TTA and witness the love of Christ. I've been told even recently here I have "backbone" because I take a lot of abuse and return kindness and gentleness for it. I don't WANT to shoot drugs. I don't WANT to cheat on my spouse. I don't WANT to live like many atheists do. I WANT to show GRATITUDE for being saved. Just because I'm forgiven of anything doesn't mean I will do anything.


Guess what jackass? There are plenty of people out there who 'do drugs', and live moral lives. There are plenty more out there who do not take any drugs, and likewise lead moral lives. And there are plenty of people in both camps that believe in your skydaddy, believe in a different skydaddy, or don't believe in anything supernatural.

But thanks for trying to smear all drug use under one umbrellas, then equate that with all atheists. Nuance is not your strong point, and never has been.

Jackass.



(19-06-2015 08:33 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  If you still disbelieve me, pretend you've cheated on your wife. She forgives you. Will you now cheat on her again because she will forgive you again? Are you that big a piece of garbage that you take every advantage?


No, I would not. But what if someone knew that no matter how many times they cheated, their wife would forgive them? At that point their is zero disincentive to not cheat, and that is Christianity. Forgiveness is unlimited, which means there is zero incentive to not fuck up in the future. Kill one person, or kill millions; no wrong is too great, or can be committed too often, to be forgiven.

That's in your Bible, so stop acting like it isn't there you disingenuous fuck.



(19-06-2015 08:33 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  Or will you not cheat because you fear the consequences? There are entire Bible chapters on God punishing BELIEVERS who sin. You don't know the Bible, at all, it seems, and that's not a slur on you from me but I tell you that you don't WANT to know the Bible.


That's because Christianity was built upon the carcass of Jewish myth. While the Jahweh of the OT was a cold heartless bastard who would punish his chosen people, he did stop fucking you after you were dead. It's only after the advent of Jesus 'meek and mild' that we hear about eternal torture for those who refuse the message. It's after Jesus that the new paradigm shifts to 'correct beliefs' against 'eternal torture'.

I can see the Bible for what it is, archaic myth created by barbaric people to explain the world around them, and later attempts to build upon those stories by later authors. I see it for what it is in real context as a piece of fiction from the ancient near east. You're the only one here taking it literally. Or at least, the bits you like, and ignoring the others and their uncomfortable implications.



(19-06-2015 08:33 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  It's typical of skeptics to misstate what the Bible states and then accuse God of gross moral negligence when clearly He judges and clearly the skeptics are doing filth in private. I KNOW BECAUSE I WAS A SKEPTIC.


Fuck you, you misuse the word 'skeptic' even now. You're as much of a former skeptic as Kirk Cameron was a former 'evolutionist' you fucking hack.

There is nothing at all 'clear' about any of the bullshit you've ever posted or claimed, and there is no way you have ever been able to show that your God is the single best explanation for anything. You don't know the first thing about being a critical thinker, what it means to actually think like a skeptic. You're a fucking fraud.



(19-06-2015 08:33 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  Repent! Change your mind about Jesus. He died and rose to cover your imperfections.


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21-06-2015, 05:08 AM
RE: Can't say how sex evolved, therefore Adam and Eve
(19-06-2015 08:36 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(18-06-2015 09:39 AM)cjlr Wrote:  Alas, no. He's here to masturbate to the idea of his own righteousness. He doesn't expect to, or care to, convince anyone of anything - just to self-affirm in the most self-congratulatory way possible.

Are you sure about that? Really, really sure? Because the good news, that no one is perfect save Jesus, and that we don't have do thing one to be saved, works when I share with it with many people apart from TTA. In the last few weeks, I've shared with Muslims, Mormons, JWs, Catholics, skeptics and more. Two weeks ago I met a young man who thought he was lost, knows now he isn't, and is meeting weekly with me for discipleship and fellowship. I get kudos (the internal kind you speak of) elsewhere far more easily than being TTA's preferred troll, brother.

Are you sure about that?

"Two weeks ago I met a young man who thought he was lost, knows now he isn't, and is meeting weekly with me for discipleship and fellowship."

Your Jeebus is just a sock puppet for you. You need to be looked up to and admired.

I know why you are here. Deep down, you're sick of the bullshit. And the pretence. You crave real conversation from people without an agenda. You don't get that from the types you hang around. You're taking baby steps towards being an atheist. We may heap shit on you, but you got more real friends here than you do in real life.
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21-06-2015, 05:29 AM
RE: Can't say how sex evolved, therefore Adam and Eve
(19-06-2015 08:33 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(18-06-2015 09:47 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Except for the 'inherent sinfulness' of humanity, suppodedly starting with the fall of Adam and Eve (but really, it's God who is ultimately responsible since they all stem from his actions and the motions he set in place), for which we'll all be judged, and not one of us had any hand it.

So yeah, complete disingenuous bullshit on your part Q.




No, but that at least might be some evidence for the supernatural intervention or the power of prayer.

What's more damning is how your God allows children to be born with AIDS. They suffer just as much, if not more so, than any junkie who acquired HIV from a dirty needle. God still allows the innocents to suffer and die, to be condemned through no action of their own, to be punished simply for existing.

There is no justice in their suffering, no higher meaning in their deaths.




You're confusing your own ass-backwards apologetics for the will of your imaginary, impotent, emotionally stunted, trans-dimensional space wizard.




Born Again Christians on death row die with the comforting thought that their 'sins' have been forgiven and that they'll enjoy eternal paradise, because the imaginary friend they believe in said that they were forgiven; and it says so right in the Bible. I didn't make this shit up Q, nor am I the one claiming to speak for god or believe in him; but I will hold you to the standards of your bullshit ideology and book of myth if you insist on defending it.





Nobody has to, the Bible points out that anything can be forgiven, with the very notable exception of blasphemy. Which is very convenient for a proselytizing religion, especially one that spread by the sword. You can fuck up, check in with Jesus, get your unlimited allotment of forgiveness, rinse and repeat. There is no limit to this, forgiveness is unlimited. There is nothing at all, as written in the Bible, that prevents people from gaming the system; thus there is nothing preventing someone from justifying their actions, any actions, safe in the knowledge that everything will be forgiven. Why? It says so in the damn book.

Just look at the Catholics. They took this simple premise, this loop-hole of unlimited forgiveness, and their built an empire out of it. Like hell believers don't game the system.

There is zero moral accountability, and nothing you've said so far at all negates that fact or otherwise saves Christian Theology from moral bankruptcy.




No, the only canard here is your complete, utter, and total inability to deal with reality. We're not suggesting that everyone should go to Hell, because Hell is as much bullshit as your sky-daddy. We're just pointing out that Christian Theology makes little sense even on it's own terms, lacks any moral accountability, and can thus be used to justify and forgive any atrocity committed by man; with the notable exception of disbelief.

Theft, dishonesty, assault, abuse, murder, rape, and genocide can all be washed away. No one need be held accountable for their actions, because all things are forgiven if you but believe. Unless of course you blaspheme or otherwise doubt the existence of the Holy Spirit and do not think the correct thoughts.

Blaspheme, simple mockery of being who's existence is entirely unverifiable, is a worse offense than genocide. That seems incredibly petty coming from anyone, let alone the supposed creator of the universe.

Wake the fuck up you stupid shill. Drinking Beverage

IMHO, you are wrong on several counts:

1. I don't believe in "the inherent sinfulness of humanity" as you put it. I believe we all have the potential to do much good. However, I would challenge anyone who says they are perfect or have the self-will to stop themselves from sometimes doing things they know are impure or moral evils.

2.
Quote:No, but that at least might be some evidence for the supernatural intervention or the power of prayer.

Have I told you now 10 times? 20? 30? - we're not getting smoking gun evidence for God as individuals unless we are disposed towards truth and God via our free will. This is a sorting place, moreover, even if you saw 10,000 livers healed you could still say "anomaly" or "scientific reason as long as God isn't in the gap". You are being disingenuous IMHO.

3. I hear what you're saying about hurting children. I think you need some more perspective, however.

4.
Quote:Born Again Christians on death row die with the comforting thought that their 'sins' have been forgiven and that they'll enjoy eternal paradise

I'm guessing I've done more prison ministry than you. Smile When you see prisoners really and truly changed, you see the power of Christ. He's real.

5. You really don't understand the points I've made about the disparity between being forgiven for anything and doing anything AFTER being forgiven. Jesus Christ saved me--therefore I come to places like TTA and witness the love of Christ. I've been told even recently here I have "backbone" because I take a lot of abuse and return kindness and gentleness for it. I don't WANT to shoot drugs. I don't WANT to cheat on my spouse. I don't WANT to live like many atheists do. I WANT to show GRATITUDE for being saved. Just because I'm forgiven of anything doesn't mean I will do anything.

If you still disbelieve me, pretend you've cheated on your wife. She forgives you. Will you now cheat on her again because she will forgive you again? Are you that big a piece of garbage that you take every advantage?

Or will you not cheat because you fear the consequences? There are entire Bible chapters on God punishing BELIEVERS who sin. You don't know the Bible, at all, it seems, and that's not a slur on you from me but I tell you that you don't WANT to know the Bible.

It's typical of skeptics to misstate what the Bible states and then accuse God of gross moral negligence when clearly He judges and clearly the skeptics are doing filth in private. I KNOW BECAUSE I WAS A SKEPTIC.

Repent! Change your mind about Jesus. He died and rose to cover your imperfections.

"therefore I come to places like TTA and witness the love of Christ."

That would be the same Christ who said

“Anyone who believes in the Son has eternal life, but anyone who refuses to believe in the Son will never see life: the anger of God stays on him” (John 3:33, NJB.)

“He who believes and is baptized will be saved; he who does not believe will be condemned” (Mark 16:16, NJB.)

“Anyone who does not remain in me is like a branch that has been thrown away—he withers; these branches are collected and thrown on the fire and they are burnt” (John 15:6, NJB.)

“Then he began to approach the towns in which most of his mira- cles had been worked, because they refused to repent. Alas for you Chorazin! Alas for you Bethsaida! For if the miracles done in you were done in Tyre or Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sack cloth and ashes, and still I tell you that it will not go as hard on Judgment day on Tyre or Sidon as with you. And as for you Capernaum, did you want to be exalted as high as heaven? You shall be thrown down in hell for if the miracles done in you had been done in Sodom, it would have been standing yet. And still, I tell you that I will not go as hard with the land of Sodom on Judgment day as with you” (Matt. 11:20–24, NJB.)

“But as for my enemies who did not want me for their king, bring them here and execute them in my presence” (Luke 19:27, NJB.)

“But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! ...woe to you, blind guides...You blind fools!... You blind men!... You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell?” (Matt. 23:13–34, NJB.)

“Well then, just as the darnel is gathered up and burnt in the fire, so it will be at the end of time. The Son of Man will send his angels and they will gather out of his kingdom all things that provoke offences and all who do evil, and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and grinding of teeth” (Matt. 13:40–43, NJB.)

“Next he will say to those on his left hand ‘Go away from me with your curse upon you, to the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels’’’ (Matt. 25:41, NJB.)

“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth: it is not peace I have come to bring, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter in law against her mother in law. A man’s enemies will be those of his own household. Anyone who prefers father or mother to me is not worthy of me. Anyone who prefers son or daughter to me is not worthy of me. Anyone who does not take his cross and follow in my footsteps is not worthy of me. Anyone who finds his life will lose it; anyone who loses his life for my sake will find it” (Matt. 10:34–39, NJB.)

“If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.” (Luke 14:26, KJV.)

Your dude was really spreading da love....

Q, you need to reread your babble.
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