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07-07-2015, 10:27 AM
RE: Can't say how sex evolved, therefore Adam and Eve
(07-07-2015 09:29 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  As for your other comments, I could go to the terminal ward of a children's hospital and pray and offer help or advice, sure. I'm recently returned from a funeral where I saw several people trust Jesus as we spoke afterward. What advice would you give the dying children there, based on your perspective/worldview as a skeptic?


I suppose we could tell them that YOUR "god" is killing them.........

Or perhaps you'd like to do that yourself?????


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08-07-2015, 07:48 AM
RE: Can't say how sex evolved, therefore Adam and Eve
(07-07-2015 09:29 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  My father has done prison ministry for years. He publishes a regular newsletter. Much of the content comes from "inside ministers", incarcerated people who testify to the peace they have and the love of Christ in action in the prisons.

This still does not change what GWOG said. Ever watch the show Gangland? There are tons of gang members that proudly show off their tattoos of crosses, jesus, scripture, or whatnot. Many have been in prison and they still tout it. Although I suppose to you they aren't REAL christians.

(07-07-2015 09:29 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  As for your other comments, I could go to the terminal ward of a children's hospital and pray and offer help or advice, sure. I'm recently returned from a funeral where I saw several people trust Jesus as we spoke afterward. What advice would you give the dying children there, based on your perspective/worldview as a skeptic?

As opposed to lying to them? You are stating as fact that which is not evidently true. It is just conjecture. If you are stating it as fact and you can't demonstrate it, you are, in fact, lying if you say it is absolutely true. I would not give a dying child advice to begin with. Who the hell are you to do so? It is despicable to go to a kid facing their death and pretend that you know what will happen when it is over. The fact that there is a child dying of something and you tell them that is is basically their fault for being born human is outrageous. If it were my kid and someone came in and did that, I would politely tell them to leave. Shameful. Absolutely shameful.

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08-07-2015, 10:04 AM
RE: Can't say how sex evolved, therefore Adam and Eve
(08-07-2015 07:48 AM)The Organic Chemist Wrote:  
(07-07-2015 09:29 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  My father has done prison ministry for years. He publishes a regular newsletter. Much of the content comes from "inside ministers", incarcerated people who testify to the peace they have and the love of Christ in action in the prisons.

This still does not change what GWOG said. Ever watch the show Gangland? There are tons of gang members that proudly show off their tattoos of crosses, jesus, scripture, or whatnot. Many have been in prison and they still tout it. Although I suppose to you they aren't REAL christians.

(07-07-2015 09:29 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  As for your other comments, I could go to the terminal ward of a children's hospital and pray and offer help or advice, sure. I'm recently returned from a funeral where I saw several people trust Jesus as we spoke afterward. What advice would you give the dying children there, based on your perspective/worldview as a skeptic?

As opposed to lying to them? You are stating as fact that which is not evidently true. It is just conjecture. If you are stating it as fact and you can't demonstrate it, you are, in fact, lying if you say it is absolutely true. I would not give a dying child advice to begin with. Who the hell are you to do so? It is despicable to go to a kid facing their death and pretend that you know what will happen when it is over. The fact that there is a child dying of something and you tell them that is is basically their fault for being born human is outrageous. If it were my kid and someone came in and did that, I would politely tell them to leave. Shameful. Absolutely shameful.

So... what hope do you offer a dying child. If you were me, what would you tell them instead of the gospel?

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08-07-2015, 10:07 AM
RE: Can't say how sex evolved, therefore Adam and Eve
(07-07-2015 10:24 AM)Fodder_From_The_Truth Wrote:  
(07-07-2015 09:29 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  My father has done prison ministry for years. He publishes a regular newsletter. Much of the content comes from "inside ministers", incarcerated people who testify to the peace they have and the love of Christ in action in the prisons.

As for your other comments, I could go to the terminal ward of a children's hospital and pray and offer help or advice, sure. I'm recently returned from a funeral where I saw several people trust Jesus as we spoke afterward. What advice would you give the dying children there, based on your perspective/worldview as a skeptic?


Finding God and using it to change personal behaviors is easy to do when incarcerated. It's only proof that inmates find ways to pass the time.

I know what I'm talking about when it comes to inmates and prisons from a decade of firsthand experience and you don't so stfu and move on from this argument.

I understand. I also have family members and friends who work/worked as cops, security guards, airport guards and as a corrections officer in several prisons (this last is a first cousin of mine).

I'd say... my own prison experience is more from writing murderers/talking to murderers about the gospel. Some trusted Jesus, but one fellow said "Q, I'm a good person on my own without God..." - this from a fellow who killed his parents with a shotgun then stole their property! Hmmm...

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08-07-2015, 10:14 AM
RE: Can't say how sex evolved, therefore Adam and Eve
(08-07-2015 10:07 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  I'd say... my own prison experience is more from writing murderers/talking to murderers about the gospel. Some trusted Jesus, but one fellow said "Q, I'm a good person on my own without God..." - this from a fellow who killed his parents with a shotgun then stole their property! Hmmm...

But he would be a good person if he were a Christian who killed his parents with a shotgun then stole their property? Hmmm... Consider

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08-07-2015, 11:32 AM
RE: Can't say how sex evolved, therefore Adam and Eve
(08-07-2015 10:04 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(08-07-2015 07:48 AM)The Organic Chemist Wrote:  This still does not change what GWOG said. Ever watch the show Gangland? There are tons of gang members that proudly show off their tattoos of crosses, jesus, scripture, or whatnot. Many have been in prison and they still tout it. Although I suppose to you they aren't REAL christians.


As opposed to lying to them? You are stating as fact that which is not evidently true. It is just conjecture. If you are stating it as fact and you can't demonstrate it, you are, in fact, lying if you say it is absolutely true. I would not give a dying child advice to begin with. Who the hell are you to do so? It is despicable to go to a kid facing their death and pretend that you know what will happen when it is over. The fact that there is a child dying of something and you tell them that is is basically their fault for being born human is outrageous. If it were my kid and someone came in and did that, I would politely tell them to leave. Shameful. Absolutely shameful.

So... what hope do you offer a dying child. If you were me, what would you tell them instead of the gospel?

You fail to understand that you offer no hope. You offer a dream. If I were you, I would read them some Sagan. The universe is incredible already without some nonsense. I couldn't lie to that child.

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08-07-2015, 04:30 PM
RE: Can't say how sex evolved, therefore Adam and Eve
(08-07-2015 10:14 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(08-07-2015 10:07 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  I'd say... my own prison experience is more from writing murderers/talking to murderers about the gospel. Some trusted Jesus, but one fellow said "Q, I'm a good person on my own without God..." - this from a fellow who killed his parents with a shotgun then stole their property! Hmmm...

But he would be a good person if he were a Christian who killed his parents with a shotgun then stole their property? Hmmm... Consider

He's missing the point and I'm sure intentionally.
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09-07-2015, 10:21 AM
RE: Can't say how sex evolved, therefore Adam and Eve
(08-07-2015 10:14 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(08-07-2015 10:07 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  I'd say... my own prison experience is more from writing murderers/talking to murderers about the gospel. Some trusted Jesus, but one fellow said "Q, I'm a good person on my own without God..." - this from a fellow who killed his parents with a shotgun then stole their property! Hmmm...

But he would be a good person if he were a Christian who killed his parents with a shotgun then stole their property? Hmmm... Consider

I think you get my point. He didn't "need" Jesus because he was a "good person". It is laughable to say he was a good person and you AGREE. You have shown that you judge other people as not good. What standards are you employing? How come it is okay to say, steal, or masturbate, or lie, or commit adultery, but not murder?

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09-07-2015, 10:24 AM
RE: Can't say how sex evolved, therefore Adam and Eve
(08-07-2015 11:32 AM)The Organic Chemist Wrote:  
(08-07-2015 10:04 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  So... what hope do you offer a dying child. If you were me, what would you tell them instead of the gospel?

You fail to understand that you offer no hope. You offer a dream. If I were you, I would read them some Sagan. The universe is incredible already without some nonsense. I couldn't lie to that child.

You fail to understand that I'm again asking you what you/your worldview offer as an alternative? Have you been to a children's hospital lately to tell the kids, "Don't worry, soon there will be not only a lack of pain, there will be NOTHING and you will DISAPPEAR and NOT EXIST and 1,000 years from now, all you knew and know and love will be dust and forgotten..."?

What is your "hope", since you are adamant that I offer none?

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09-07-2015, 10:56 AM
RE: Can't say how sex evolved, therefore Adam and Eve
(09-07-2015 10:24 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(08-07-2015 11:32 AM)The Organic Chemist Wrote:  You fail to understand that you offer no hope. You offer a dream. If I were you, I would read them some Sagan. The universe is incredible already without some nonsense. I couldn't lie to that child.

You fail to understand that I'm again asking you what you/your worldview offer as an alternative? Have you been to a children's hospital lately to tell the kids, "Don't worry, soon there will be not only a lack of pain, there will be NOTHING and you will DISAPPEAR and NOT EXIST and 1,000 years from now, all you knew and know and love will be dust and forgotten..."?

What is your "hope", since you are adamant that I offer none?

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We'll blame YOUR god.... He's the one killing them, right??????


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