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01-03-2017, 07:21 PM
Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?

Science and Christianity have one thing in common, they both are a search for the truth. Or maybe I should say that Christianity should be the search for truth? That is what it is for me.

Where science has constantly corrected it’s theories through testing and research which may falsify a portion of a theory when error is found resulting a better and stronger theory, Christianity has been stagnant in moving beyond the cross and Jesus dying for the world’s sins. By sticking to the traditional doctrine based not on the teachings of Jesus, but on commandments of the other people in the Bible (mainly the writings of Paul), the Christian religion has been a thorn in the crown of Jesus rather than a harvester of His wheat. (But, as will be revealed sometime in this thread, this is done in fulfillment of what had been written in the OT scriptures.)

The scientific method begins with a question being asked. Initial data is collected and an hypothesis is formed. This hypothesis is then subject to testing and/or further observation which will either falsify or verify the hypothesis. Verification results in a theory being established. The findings of a theory is continually tested and must be repeatable by peers.

Question: Is the doctrine of Jesus the truth as He declares it to be?

Test: Can any of the sayings of Jesus be proved to be a lie?

I will produce the initial evidence that supports His bold statement in another post.

Offered in the Love of Christ,
Harold

(I always close with that. I do not mean it to be an offense to anyone. I just consider what I write to be offerings, not the final word on any matter.)
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01-03-2017, 07:23 PM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
Q. No
T. Yes
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01-03-2017, 07:34 PM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
Oh, Herold.

Have fun with your capitalizations and reverenced/velveted apologetics. But no.

Still, I hope you stick around! Good luck!
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01-03-2017, 07:34 PM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(01-03-2017 07:21 PM)hecrow55 Wrote:  Test: Can any of the sayings of Jesus be proved to be a lie?

Can any of the sayings of Jesus be proved to be *true*? I am not asking that rhetorically.

The standards of scholarship can be and have been applied to the study of the Gospels, but I don't think the standards of science can or they would have been already.

Religion and science are separate and can't be united, or they would have been already. Had there been an actual God behind the Bible, he could have laid out everything we now know about General Relativity, Quantum Mechanics, biological evolution, the evolution of stars and planets, germ theory, electricity, anatomy, the weather, principles of sanitation, and so on. But he didn't. We had to figure it all out ourselves.
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01-03-2017, 07:45 PM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
This is a paper I wrote in which a comparative study of how a plant is instructed through its DNA to develop a root system and the instructions in Jesus' doctrine do the same for a spiritual root system. Its a bit long, but had to be thorough.[/align]

The Root of All Good

Can science aid in the study and edification of the sayings of Jesus?

Religion and science have often found themselves at odds with each other. The most disputed point that is argued is how the universe was created. Science holds to what is known as the Big Bang Theory while traditionalists in religion argue the merits of the creation story of Genesis 1. At best is an agreement between the two parties to keep the two separate by allowing science be the study of what is in the physical world while religion is relegated to the spiritual aspects of a person’s life. It seems like to try to mix the two disciplines would be an attempt at combining oil with water. But it may come as a surprise to many that a rudimental understanding of the Science of Biology and the scientific method of Comparative Research can actually give one desiring to know the truth of God edification into some of the sayings attributed to Jesus that are recorded in the four books collectively known as the Gospels.

What is Comparative Research and how will it help in understanding Jesus’ sayings?

Comparative Research is the act of comparing the similarities of two or more things. When a subject matter that is unknown is desired to be studied, something that has similarities to that subject which properties are well known is sought out. Then by comparing the knowledge and understanding of the one thing to the unknown or vaguely understood matter will aid in gaining the desired edification to the subject that the study is focused on.

This type of research is also used in Social Sciences by comparing different cultures and/or groups of people by examining the differences in their ways and thoughts. It is written that the ways and thoughts of God are higher than that of man, thus, by seeking out and comparing the differences in the two will allow the disciple to be reproved of wrongful behavior and thinking concerning the matters of life. Once successful in finding these differences, it will allow the student to conform more closely to the true image of God by putting off the ways and thoughts of man which are contrary to God’s by surrendering to His ways and thoughts as being the truthful way to live. By accomplishing this, the disciple becomes an example to others. Since the desire of any disciple should be to grow into a greater relationship with God, it is an appropriate method to use to strengthen this relationship.

How can the science of Biology help in gaining edification to Jesus’ sayings?

Luk 8:11Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

Biology is the science of life. It covers all forms of living things concerning their origin, growth, reproduction, structure, and behavior. Jesus often uses biological terms in His teachings concerning the kingdom of God. He even states that the words He speaks to us are life, thus, Biology is the perfect choice. To narrow the subject matter of this essay, the focus will be on the word seed which is in many of Jesus’ parables. It is through the comparing of what is known in Biology about the contents of a seed and how the government of the germination of the seed takes place that an understanding to the following of Jesus’ teachings will be obtained.

Mat 17:20And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed,
ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

It has been taught by many that this teaching of Christ’s is saying that if one has faith the size of a mustard seed then all things will be possible. A mustard seed is smaller than a grain of salt, thus one of tiniest seeds in all of creation. Having this size of faith would certainly be a very small amount of faith to say the least. Who began this interpretation is not known, but it can be traced back to at least 1748 in the Exposition of the Entire Bible written by John Gill. But this interpretation does not take in consideration the whole context of Jesus’ teachings. When searched out in this manner, the interpretation does not hold water.

Mat 13:31Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took,
and sowed in his field: 32Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs,
and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.

The first contradiction to this interpretation is that Jesus often rebukes His disciples for having such a little amount of faith, thus, it would not be logical that He would then teach to have such a small amount. Further examination finds that it is not faith that He likens to a mustard seed, but rather the kingdom when He says it is the least of all seeds sewn in the earth. That Jesus uses a mustard seed in both sayings is significant for it makes the Kingdom and faith synonymous with each other. A Kingdom or nation is defined by its constitution and laws, therefore it will be shown that the teachings of Christ (His faith) is the governing and defining factors of the Kingdom of God (the heart of man). It is of necessity to further examine the meanings of the words used in the verse from Matthew which will be the main feature of this essay. This should bring edification what Jesus is actually teaching us about faith.

What exactly is the meaning of the Greek word translated as faith?

The Greek word pistis is what is translated as faith in this teaching of Christ. It means to be persuaded to the fullest in the teaching of one considered to be the most authoritative on a given subject. So much so that one is convicted to the teachings as being the absolute truth of God concerning a religious matter. Jesus teaches that the work of God is believe on the one He sent. To believe in Jesus as Lord and Savior is the accepting of the free gift of salvation, but to believe on Him means to accept and believe that His doctrine is the true Doctrine of God. When a disciple expresses this faith in the teachings of Christ, s/he is saying that it is only these teachings that are the unadulterated Word of God.

What does the Lord mean to have faith as a seed?

Mat 10:24The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.
25It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. …

The Science of Molecular Biology can help in gaining an understanding to this portion of the study. It is general knowledge that a substance called Deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA) exists in every living cell. It was first discovered in the late 1800s by a scientist named Johann Friedrich Miescher, but the full understanding of it being the actual code for all life was not ascertained until around 75 years later by a group of scientists in England who discovered the very structure of the double helix shape of the molecule. In The Human Genome Project, the entire structure of the human DNA molecule was mapped out in the 1990s and early 2000s. Through years of studying DNA, science has learned that not only does it contain the instructions of what type of life it is to be, but that one part of it actually governs other chromosomes by turning them on through the production of specific proteins when they are to do their part in the development of that life form.

DNA is the very substance of life. All forms of life have their own DNA that the particular life form passes on to the next generation so that species can continue to thrive and survive. In most vegetation, a seed is formed on a parent plant to which the DNA of that particular plant is passed on which is contained within the seed. This encoded information is dormant until the time the seed is planted which is when it is needed to start its own process of growth to maturity of the specific species of plant.

How can the science of DNA help in the edification to this teaching of Jesus?

Pro 4:1Hear, ye children, the instruction of a father, and attend to know understanding.
2For I give you good doctrine, forsake ye not my law.

Just as DNA contains instructions, the doctrine of Jesus is also full of instructions to the disciple. Scripture tells us that faith is a substance and that the substance thereof is the holy seed. Jesus defines the seed as the word of God. Holy means to be sanctified or made separate. It is Jesus’ teachings that are to be considered separated from the rest of scripture as being identified by Him as the words His Father gave Him to speak and that these are the only words which He speaks that are recorded in the gospel record. He identifies them as being the truth and it is by them that the disciple is governed and guided through scripture to grow in the knowledge of God. This is the goal of the disciple, to become just as Jesus through the conformity to His teachings and example. It is self-similar to the mustard seed becoming like its parent plant to produce the same herb by adhering to its encoded instructions.

What is the first instruction that a seed follows to begin its growth to maturity?

The very first instruction the seed must follow is to begin to form a root system. Though there are different types of root systems, it is in the earth that this system is developed in most plants, especially plants that bear herbs, grains, fruits, etc. This is very crucial to the survival of the plant as the seed has just enough food supply within it to sustain it till it can begin to manufacture its own source of nourishment. The root system will be a primary source for garnering and storing the nutrients from the earth that the plant needs to survive and grow. Through the roots is primarily where the water is absorbed and transferred to the rest of the plant. Water, oxygen, and an heated energy source are the essential for all life to exist. The root is also responsible for vegetation reproduction. Also, the development of this root system is to provide a strong foundation for the plant to be anchored and stabilized. For the plant to endure the resistance from the onslaught of nature (by storms and the feeding upon it by other life forms) it must be able to maintain a firm grasp on the earth for its survival.

What does a root system have to do with a disciple of Jesus’?

Jesus speaks of four conditions of the spiritual heart of man that receives the word of God as a seed in the parable of the sower (which is found in all three of the synoptic gospels) in which He likens to four different types of earth a seed is sown into. The third condition is that of a hardened heart (stony ground). In His explanation, Jesus speaks of this condition as having no root within itself nor depth for it to grow. Thus, the development of a strong, healthy root system is required in the disciple to garner that which is needed for growth. Without this root within oneself, the disciple will lack the foundation and stability to withstand the tribulations life brings their way. Nor will the disciple be able to obtain the spiritual nourishment s/he needs to be a productive part of the body of Christ.

What is to be the root of the disciple?

Eph 3:17That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith;
That ye, being rooted and grounded in love,

The root of a disciple is agape love. This type of love creates an openness in the disciple for it seeks not itself but the knowledge and welfare of that which is the object of this love. Being not envious, it allows for the intake of that which is needed to sustain it and further its development. This openness brings about the steadfastness of the disciple to desire and seek out the truth of God rather than the wrongness in man. By focusing on this truth and only this truth is the way the growth towards being an ensample of Christ to others can be obtained and expressed. It is only through love that the disciple may ascertain the fullness of God for without love it is impossible to know God.

Is there a specific type of root system that can be comparable to a teaching of Jesus?

There are three main types of root systems plants develop: tap, fibrous, and adventitious. The tap root system will be focused on for this comparison study. It is composed of two parts: primary or main root; and secondary or lateral roots. The primary root is the first to proceed forth from the seed straight down toward the heart of the earth because of the pull of gravity. It is generally the largest in the root system. From this primary root proceeds the secondary roots. They reach out laterally in the soil. This gives the root system its stabilizing aspect and allows it to collect the substances in the earth it needs to continue on its path towards maturity.

What is comparable in Jesus’ teachings to this two part root system?

Jesus teaches that there are two commandments which are the greatest of commandments. The first being to love God with all thine heart, mind, soul, and strength which would be the main or primary root. The second is to love thy neighbor as thyself which constitute the auxiliary or lateral roots that proceed forth from the primary. A commandment is a precept that must be followed just as the seed follows its encoded instructions for its survival. But unlike the seed which has no other choice in the matter, the disciple is given freewill thus must make the commitment to the teachings of Jesus denying all other doctrines of man. It is by following its encoded instructions the seed matures to be a replica of the plant which produced it, thus, continuing the existence of the species. By adhering to the commandments of love which Christ teaches will result in a person who will be recognized as His disciple through this root system of love.

How is the disciple to develop this root system of love?

Joh 14:23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him,
and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Jesus teaches that the way a person expresses love towards Him is by the disciple’s keeping of His words. The word keep has many different meanings ascribed to it, some of which are: to maintain, to guard, to obey, to treasure, to commemorate, and to cause to continue. Each of these plays a role in developing the root system of love within the disciple.

How is the disciple to love God with all their heart?

Mat 6:19Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt,
and where thieves break through and steal: 20But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt,
and where thieves do not break through nor steal: 21For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

According to Jesus, one must lay for him/herself treasures in Heaven which is the heart of the disciple. In the world, treasure would represent monetary gain by the accumulation of money, property, and possessions. All of this would be an outward appearance to others of the prosperity of the individual. But all these things are subject to entropy as time passes. Worldly raiment will go out of style and become thread barren. Property value may increase but can be subject to decrease or loss through poor management or a sudden drop in the housing market. The value of any currency is dependent on the economic situation of the day. To lay this type of treasure in one’s heart would be idolatry and subject to sudden loss at any time. It would also be a strong source of opposition to the true treasures of God as these cares of the world would choke out the seed sown by Christ.

What then is the treasure that Jesus is speaking of?

Col 2:2That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding,
to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

By treasure, Jesus is speaking of the wisdom and knowledge of God which is hid within Himself. Wisdom is said to be desired greater than gold, thus a far greater treasure than worldly wealth and possessions. It is through the accumulation of knowledge that wisdom is achieved. The knowledge of God the Father can only be obtained through the Son who is the only one that knows the Father and is able to reveal Him to the obedient disciple. It is through Jesus’ words that this wisdom is imparted to the disciple and through Him alone can this knowledge be understood. This treasure will never grow old nor rust. Neither can it be stolen out of one’s heart.

How is the disciple to love God with all their mind?

Isa 55:8For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
9For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

To set one’s thoughts on the things that are from above rather than from beneath is the exercising of the love of the mind towards God. Jesus teaches that He is from above and that man is from beneath. By this He is speaking of the differences between the higher ways and thoughts of God compared to that of the world. By considering Jesus’ words as these higher ways and thoughts is to lift them up above all the rest of scripture. This will reveal with certainty to the disciple that Jesus is exactly who He says He is and that His doctrine is the true doctrine of the one true God.

How is the disciple to love God with all their spirit?

Joh 6:63It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Once again, it is the words Jesus speaks that are taught by Him as being spirit. By focusing on these as such is to be focusing on God for He is the Spirit. They are to be maintained (kept) as the truth and rendered unto Him as the act of true worship. It is through them that the heart is made pure. By that purity of heart enables one to see God in a clear and concise manner in the image which He truly is. It is from the abundance of the heart that the mouth speaks, thus, by aligning your words with His is this love expressed in spirit.

How is the disciple to love God with all their strength?

Pro 8:14Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength.

It is Jesus’ teaching that the words He speaks were so that His joy would remain with us, thus, our joy would be full. Scripture tells us that where the word of a king is there is power of which Jesus is the King of kings. The people who heard Jesus marveled at how He taught His doctrine with authority. Once again, it is the words of Jesus that are the strength from which the disciple receives the joy of the Lord. It is this joy that the strength of the disciple is derived from. These words are the Rosetta Stone of Bible by which the understanding of the whole of scripture can be accomplished. Without His words, the disciple can do nothing in gaining the edification needed for growth towards maturity.

With all this focus on Jesus’s teachings,
how does the rest of scripture fit into the root system?

Deu 32:2My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew,
as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:

In the plant’s root system, the auxiliary or lateral roots proceed forth from the main root. These spread out through the earth in search of the nutrients and water the plant needs to continue in its growth to maturity. This also stabilizes the plant securing it to the ground. It is the same with the root system of love within the disciple. By being obedient to the love thy neighbor command, the lateral roots will proceed forth from the main root in search of the spiritual nutrients and the living water of His words that can be located throughout the scriptures that will aid in the development of a mature follower of Christ for the doctrine of God falls as rain upon every man.

Joh 15:10If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

It is often said that home is where the heart is and the heart is dedicated to what it treasures. By treasuring the words of Christ is to establish the Gospels as one’s home. This would make all the other books in the Bible the neighbor to the disciple. But it is essential for the disciple to treasure Jesus’ words foremost. By doing so will allow the disciple to find the treasure hidden in scripture through the guidance of the Holy Spirit. It is only through keeping Jesus’ words that the words of the others can be kept.

Mat 13:52Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven
is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.

The substances that a plant needs to survive are generally not evenly dispersed with in the soil it is planted in. Thus, the auxiliary root system of a plant spreads out through the earth to seek out the things it needs to survive and thrive. Some roots may find an abundance of a certain substance in one place while others locate another. All is transferred to the main root which manufactures them into food and energy for the plant to thrive. This self-similar scattering of essential information throughout the Bible which is needed for the edification to the doctrine of Christ.

2Ti 3:16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

It is Jesus’ teaching that scripture testifies of Him. Bringing the whole of scripture in line with His teachings is essentially lining them up with the Word of God. What this means is that when the disciple considers the writings of men in the context of Jesus’ words and sayings is how further edification to His doctrine can be obtained. Though only a few are shared here, there are over sixty-five references to scripture that the information in this essay has been based on. By collecting an abundance of testimonial evidence that is spread out throughout scripture concerning a matter can bring about the reproof of a misconception in a teaching of Christ. This will result in the correction and conviction of the disciple to His teachings. Further instructions to the disciple can also be obtained and assist in the development a greater knowledge into the righteousness of Christ.

Is there a significance to the Lord’s use of the herb mustard?

Exo 12:8And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.

Jesus uses terms that relate to things that are in scripture. Mustard is what is known as a bitter herb. All manner of herbs is mentioned by Jesus when rebuking the Pharisees about their tithing, specifically naming cumin, mint, and anise. Herbs are commonly used to add spice and flavor to food while it is being prepared for a meal. Moses wrote that it was with bitter herbs that the Passover lamb was to be prepared and roasted with, but it is mustard that Jesus proclaims as being the greatest of all herbs. Perhaps that is because it can grow into a tree that may reach as high as fourteen feet tall.

But there is also something that mustard does when used during cooking that may help in understanding what He means. Mustard has a very pungent flavor. Too much added to a meal and it will dominate the taste, but when used sparingly, it brings out all the flavors of a dish. This is one reason Jesus would have regarded it as the greatest of herbs for it seems to reign over the rest when used properly.

Many herbs also have medicinal properties and mustard is high on that list. It helps to stimulate blood flow and improve circulation. In the 1600s, it was commonly subscribed as medication for toothaches, joint pain, skin problems, and stomach aches. Mustard plasters were used to treat chest congestion and relief from arthritic and rheumatoid pain and soreness. There have also been claims that it improved memory, expelled heaviness, and revived the spirit of a person. Some medicinal mustard compounds date back to 400BCE, therefore, Jesus would have been very aware of these properties and uses of mustard. It is safe to conclude that Jesus speaks the truth when He says that mustard is the greatest of all herbs.

What does having faith as a grain of mustard seed have to do with anything?

It is written that God planted a garden in the second creation story. The disciple can easily view this garden as being the Bible itself and each man being seen as a tree. By this spiritual sight, the Bible is seen as an herb garden in which Jesus’ teachings produce the herb mustard while the rest of scripture is to be considered as the other bitter herbs of cumin, mint, and anise. By themselves they would flavor the meal, but it is the mustard that brings out the full flavor of the meal which is the Lord.

Gen 13:16And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: …

Just as it is written that Adam was formed from the dust of the earth, Jesus was formed of the words (seed) of the Old Testament scriptures. And as Adam was to return to the dust that he was taken from, it is likewise to the Word that Jesus has returned as He promised. It is the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John that is the place that is prepared for us by Him. A place where the disciple can take root and be as a tree planted by the rivers of living water that can bring forth the fruit of the lips that are fitting to praise and worship the One True God of Israel in their season.

What is the conclusion of this study concerning being rooted and grounded in love?

Joh 15:12This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
13Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
14Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

The sole purpose of the study of scripture is to learn of Jesus. This can only be accomplished by being obedient to His commandments. It is by this work alone that one becomes a friend of the Lord. Established in this root system of love, the disciple can be made stable and able to withstand the tribulations the world brings forth. It is through this root system that the nourishment of the disciple is obtained from the words written within the pages of the Bible that provides the growth to maturity in the knowledge of God.

Rev 14:12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

But patience must be exercised by the disciple in the keeping of Jesus’ words for this root system to develop to the fullest extent. It is not for the disciple to be as a weed which is in such a hurry to propagate that it does not take the time to develop a strong root system, thus, produces no nourishment and is easily plucked from the earth. Time must be taken for the development of the strong root system that will provide the fruit of the lips that will nourish those the disciple will be an influence on, knowingly at times but often unknowingly, as the path of the Lord is traveled. It is only through Christ that this can be accomplished and that all things become possible for Jesus alone is the Way to obtain the Truth that brings forth the instructions of Life to the disciple and the world.

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01-03-2017, 07:47 PM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(01-03-2017 07:21 PM)hecrow55 Wrote:  Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
All science is, is an evidence based method of discovery.

First of all you need a hypothesis or claim which describes an idea and proposes the evidence that should be there and evidence based way to distinguish one claim from a competing claim. BTW, all claims need to be falsifiable.

I don't think scriptures could be counted as sufficiently formed hypothesis or claims. But if you are able to derive a sufficiently formed hypothesis or claim from your scripture then I don't see why the scientific method can't be applied to it.
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01-03-2017, 07:57 PM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(01-03-2017 07:21 PM)hecrow55 Wrote:  Test: Can any of the sayings of Jesus be proved to be a lie?

^^^^^ Rolleyes
Step 1)
Provide incontrovertible evidence he even said any of the stuff in the bible without using circular reasoning.

Shakespeare's Comedy of Errors.... on Donald J. Trump:

He is deformed, crooked, old, and sere,
Ill-fac’d, worse bodied, shapeless every where;
Vicious, ungentle, foolish, blunt, unkind,
Stigmatical in making, worse in mind.
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01-03-2017, 07:59 PM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(01-03-2017 07:47 PM)Stevil Wrote:  
(01-03-2017 07:21 PM)hecrow55 Wrote:  Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
All science is, is an evidence based method of discovery.

First of all you need a hypothesis or claim which describes an idea and proposes the evidence that should be there and evidence based way to distinguish one claim from a competing claim. BTW, all claims need to be falsifiable.

I don't think scriptures could be counted as sufficiently formed hypothesis or claims. But if you are able to derive a sufficiently formed hypothesis or claim from your scripture then I don't see why the scientific method can't be applied to it.

Traditional Christianity claims that the Bible is the truth.
Jesus claims that He is the truth.

The young Earth creationist claim Genesis 1 is how the universe was created. Science has proven that false.

Jesus says that scripture testifies of Him.

In Genesis 1, Heaven is said to be an expanse that divides the waters above from the waters beneath.

Pro 18:4 The words of a man's mouth are as deep waters, and the wellspring of wisdom as a flowing brook.

Genesis through Malachi are words of men's mouths as are Acts through Revelation. In a closed Bible, Genesis through Malachi are the waters above while Acts through Revelation are the waters below. The Gospels would be the expanse between them, thus the Heavens (which is plural in a later verse in Gen 1).

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01-03-2017, 08:02 PM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(01-03-2017 07:57 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  
(01-03-2017 07:21 PM)hecrow55 Wrote:  Test: Can any of the sayings of Jesus be proved to be a lie?

^^^^^ Rolleyes
Step 1)
Provide incontrovertible evidence he even said any of the stuff in the bible without using circular reasoning.

Sorry, I should have said attributed to Jesus. Prove that any of them are a lie.

And I agree with you on Trump.
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01-03-2017, 08:03 PM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
Post # 5.

Well, there ya go. You're using the Bible to prove the Bible is correct. The Bible is a book of claims, not the evidence. A book of claims cannot be used as evidence to support the claims that it makes. Christians don't understand the difference between a claim and evidence.

Shakespeare's Comedy of Errors.... on Donald J. Trump:

He is deformed, crooked, old, and sere,
Ill-fac’d, worse bodied, shapeless every where;
Vicious, ungentle, foolish, blunt, unkind,
Stigmatical in making, worse in mind.
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