Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
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01-03-2017, 08:06 PM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(01-03-2017 08:03 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  Post # 5.

Well, there ya go. You're using the Bible to prove the Bible is correct. The Bible is a book of claims, not the evidence. A book of claims cannot be used as evidence to support the claims that it makes. Christians don't understand the difference between a claim and evidence.

Just as the universe is considered to be a closed system where nothing can be lost, the Bible is also a closed system. Claims are the basis of study of both.
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01-03-2017, 08:17 PM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(01-03-2017 08:02 PM)hecrow55 Wrote:  
(01-03-2017 07:57 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  ^^^^^ Rolleyes
Step 1)
Provide incontrovertible evidence he even said any of the stuff in the bible without using circular reasoning.

Sorry, I should have said attributed to Jesus. Prove that any of them are a lie.

If jesus did not exist then anything attributed to a fictional character are also works of fiction.

Can you prove the character of Jesus written about in the bible by anonymous writers even existed in the first place ?

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01-03-2017, 08:22 PM (This post was last modified: 01-03-2017 08:28 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
The Bible is not a "closed system" by any stretch.
The Bible is ancient literature.
That's the only valid way to look at it. It contains many forms of literature.
Does one subject mythology and poetry to scientific scrutiny ?

No
There is no scripture scholar on the planet that buys into this nonsense.
The end.

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01-03-2017, 08:25 PM
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01-03-2017, 08:30 PM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(01-03-2017 08:17 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  
(01-03-2017 08:02 PM)hecrow55 Wrote:  Sorry, I should have said attributed to Jesus. Prove that any of them are a lie.

If jesus did not exist then anything attributed to a fictional character are also works of fiction.

Can you prove the character of Jesus written about in the bible by anonymous writers even existed in the first place ?

There are non-biblical sources that mention Jesus, most notably a few Roman historians. Most people, skeptics included, acknowledge that He did exist.
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01-03-2017, 08:33 PM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
There are reputable scholars who question his existence.

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01-03-2017, 08:42 PM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(01-03-2017 08:30 PM)hecrow55 Wrote:  
(01-03-2017 08:17 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  If jesus did not exist then anything attributed to a fictional character are also works of fiction.

Can you prove the character of Jesus written about in the bible by anonymous writers even existed in the first place ?

There are non-biblical sources that mention Jesus, most notably a few Roman historians. Most people, skeptics included, acknowledge that He did exist.

Lots of people with that name existed at the time.
Some would say, jesus was a fictional collective that described several characters of that time period.

There are also non comic book sources that mention Spider-Man as well as many real life people named Peter Parker.

In essence, you have no real evidence that jesus existed. You have a few mentions about a guy named jesus in some non biblical texts.

This is why faith was invented, because without evidence, there is no reason to believe bullshit unless you're gullible.

Are you gullible ?

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01-03-2017, 08:49 PM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(01-03-2017 08:42 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  
(01-03-2017 08:30 PM)hecrow55 Wrote:  There are non-biblical sources that mention Jesus, most notably a few Roman historians. Most people, skeptics included, acknowledge that He did exist.

Lots of people with that name existed at the time.
Some would say, jesus was a fictional collective that described several characters of that time period.

There are also non comic book sources that mention Spider-Man as well as many real life people named Peter Parker.

In essence, you have no real evidence that jesus existed. You have a few mentions about a guy named jesus in some non biblical texts.

This is why faith was invented, because without evidence, there is no reason to believe bullshit unless you're gullible.

Are you gullible ?

If one has evidence for something, then faith is not required.
"Proving" anything about religions is a misguided enterprise.

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01-03-2017, 08:49 PM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(01-03-2017 08:42 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  
(01-03-2017 08:30 PM)hecrow55 Wrote:  There are non-biblical sources that mention Jesus, most notably a few Roman historians. Most people, skeptics included, acknowledge that He did exist.

Lots of people with that name existed at the time.
Some would say, jesus was a fictional collective that described several characters of that time period.

There are also non comic book sources that mention Spider-Man as well as many real life people named Peter Parker.

In essence, you have no real evidence that jesus existed. You have a few mentions about a guy named jesus in some non biblical texts.

This is why faith was invented, because without evidence, there is no reason to believe bullshit unless you're gullible.

Are you gullible ?
Do you believe in M Theory? Are you gullible?
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01-03-2017, 08:50 PM (This post was last modified: 01-03-2017 09:17 PM by Aliza.)
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
Harold,

I believe I can make a very strong case to show that the new testament and Christianity conflicts with the Hebrew Bible. Why should I care what the NT says, given that it's very descriptions paint Jesus as a false, idolatrous god and is little more than a book of forgeries pretending to be a continuation of Judaism?

You believe because it makes you happy to do so. Maybe it gives you some peace, but I know your religion to be diametrically opposed to everything that I've been taught and understand to be true. For that reason, you can keep it.
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