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10-03-2017, 09:51 PM (This post was last modified: 11-03-2017 08:58 AM by unfogged.)
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(10-03-2017 09:45 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Historical jesus yes.

Historical Jesus, maybe. There really is no solid evidence for it.

Quote: Its not irrelevant faith is the hypothesis of the scietific formula and then we see what happens but we already have a a thought about what's going to happen.

Having idea, thoughts, hopes, dreams, etc is not the same as faith. With faith you believe something IS true. With a hypothesis you consider that something MIGHT be true. With religion you take the faith and stop looking. With science you take the hypothesis and start looking. With faith you never discard bad ideas so as not to have to change your belief. With science you discard hypotheses that are shown to be false. With religion you ignore evidence that contradicts your faith. With science you modify or discard your hypothesis when the evidence contradicts it.

Comparing science to faith is simply wrong at every level and demonstrates that you do not understand how science works.

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10-03-2017, 10:05 PM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(10-03-2017 05:31 PM)hecrow55 Wrote:  Did I divulge? Here is Jesus' words on the subject.

You have already acknowledged that you know little of the history of the bible, it's compilation(s) and the many different versions of it.

You ignored my question about orthodoxy and how it was established.

You give no justification for choosing the KJV over the myriad of other versions of the bible. You ignore the fact that your particular version of the bible was altered to fit the needs of a heretical sect of christianity.

(10-03-2017 05:31 PM)hecrow55 Wrote:  If Jesus died of crucifixion, then that would be someone taking His life from Him.
This is within the OP of what is ascribed to Jesus saying it written in the Gospels.

And now you have the audacity to dispute one of the foundations of the myth on the basis of one passage. And dispute it with an explanation that flies in the face of medical knowledge and common sense.

According to the story, jesus was flogged, beaten and forced to drag a heavy cross some distance before being nailed to it. While a person dying in a matter of hours rather than days was apparently unusual, it was not beyond comprehension. (Not to mention the brutally efficient test of a spear stab to the torso...)

Instead, you decide that this person died of grief. Facepalm

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10-03-2017, 11:13 PM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
Faith is hope it hasn't happened yet but a hypothesis is a well documented hope.
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11-03-2017, 04:20 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
OP Please state how you would apply the scientific method to the study of scripture.

Or you could tediously continue discussing what Jesus may or may not have said, according to the Bible, which is explicitly NOT science.

Oh hey OP bonus question: Have you ever studied any scientific subject?

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11-03-2017, 05:10 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(10-03-2017 11:13 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Faith is hope it hasn't happened yet but a hypothesis is a well documented hope.

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11-03-2017, 05:48 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
Determining a fable

Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Jesus teaches that the true worship of God must be done in spirit and truth. Scripture defines spirit as being words, thus if a story in the Bible is found to be false that would testify to it being a fable.

Those that take the Bible literally and as being all true believe that Adam is the first man. The current Jewish year is 5777 which is determined by Rosh Hashanah which is the day when they believe Adam and Eve was first created. If true, these two beings would then be the common ancestor of all humanity.

Through the study of human genetics, science has found common ancestor genetic lineage known as Y-chromosomal Adam and Mitochondrial Eve. The current estimated age of the male common chromosome is 250,000 years, while the female’s mitochondrial is between 99 and 150 thousand years. Both are far older than what the stories from Genesis 1 and 2 place the age of man to be, but these two are not based on actual human remains being found, but rather determined by a collection of DNA samples through the current world population.

Archeology has uncovered the skeleton of a female hominid in 1974 which they named Lucy. Hominids are the species which the Theory of Evolution says that mankind was evolved from. Her remains have been estimated to be around 3.2 million years old.

Thus, the story of Adam and Eve cannot be factually true therefore a fable.

Next post will begin to explain how and why this fable was fulfilled.

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11-03-2017, 05:49 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(10-03-2017 11:13 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Faith is hope it hasn't happened yet but a hypothesis is a well documented hope.

I hoped you wouldn't post again. Facepalm

I hoped you would learn the use of commas. Facepalm

I hoped you would demonstrate understanding of what a hypothesis is. Facepalm

I hoped you could actually provide documentation to explain what the hell you're talking about. Facepalm

Oh well, faith only takes you so far, in your case, it leaves you under the ignorance tree.

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11-03-2017, 05:51 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(11-03-2017 05:48 AM)hecrow55 Wrote:  Determining a fable

Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Jesus teaches that the true worship of God must be done in spirit and truth. Scripture defines spirit as being words, thus if a story in the Bible is found to be false that would testify to it being a fable.

Those that take the Bible literally and as being all true believe that Adam is the first man. The current Jewish year is 5777 which is determined by Rosh Hashanah which is the day when they believe Adam and Eve was first created. If true, these two beings would then be the common ancestor of all humanity.

Through the study of human genetics, science has found common ancestor genetic lineage known as Y-chromosomal Adam and Mitochondrial Eve. The current estimated age of the male common chromosome is 250,000 years, while the female’s mitochondrial is between 99 and 150 thousand years. Both are far older than what the stories from Genesis 1 and 2 place the age of man to be, but these two are not based on actual human remains being found, but rather determined by a collection of DNA samples through the current world population.

Archeology has uncovered the skeleton of a female hominid in 1974 which they named Lucy. Hominids are the species which the Theory of Evolution says that mankind was evolved from. Her remains have been estimated to be around 3.2 million years old.

Thus, the story of Adam and Eve cannot be factually true therefore a fable.

Next post will begin to explain how and why this fable was fulfilled.

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Harold Smile Smile Smile

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11-03-2017, 06:01 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(11-03-2017 05:48 AM)hecrow55 Wrote:  Determining a fable

Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Jesus teaches that the true worship of God must be done in spirit and truth. Scripture defines spirit as being words, thus if a story in the Bible is found to be false that would testify to it being a fable.

Those that take the Bible literally and as being all true believe that Adam is the first man. The current Jewish year is 5777 which is determined by Rosh Hashanah which is the day when they believe Adam and Eve was first created. If true, these two beings would then be the common ancestor of all humanity.

Through the study of human genetics, science has found common ancestor genetic lineage known as Y-chromosomal Adam and Mitochondrial Eve. The current estimated age of the male common chromosome is 250,000 years, while the female’s mitochondrial is between 99 and 150 thousand years. Both are far older than what the stories from Genesis 1 and 2 place the age of man to be, but these two are not based on actual human remains being found, but rather determined by a collection of DNA samples through the current world population.

Archeology has uncovered the skeleton of a female hominid in 1974 which they named Lucy. Hominids are the species which the Theory of Evolution says that mankind was evolved from. Her remains have been estimated to be around 3.2 million years old.

Thus, the story of Adam and Eve cannot be factually true therefore a fable.

Next post will begin to explain how and why this fable was fulfilled.

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Harold Smile Smile Smile

So the very first part of the bible contains a load of shit that didn't happen.

Probably a good indication not to think the rest of it is anything other than mostly fictional/allegories.

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11-03-2017, 06:11 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(11-03-2017 05:48 AM)hecrow55 Wrote:  Determining a fable

Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Jesus teaches that the true worship of God must be done in spirit and truth. Scripture defines spirit as being words, thus if a story in the Bible is found to be false that would testify to it being a fable.
Good grief, man, you would have been laughed out of court even by my former evangelical self. Even I would have recognized Jesus' words here as a saying his words were conveying life-giving truth and spiritual nourishment, not that "word" is a synonym for or the definition of "spirit" and thus the basis of a teaching about what spirit is. You would be regarded by any reasonably orthodox fundamentalist Christian as a lousy exegete, if not an outright heretic. It's just that heretics are usually more subtle and less obvious and absurd. Seriously, you would be the sort that would take "Jesus wept" to mean "Jesu swept", and thus turn him into a street sweeper rather than a carpenter, and change his name in the bargain.

Congratulations. Now you have demonstrated your ignorance not just of science and logic, but also of scripture.
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